From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V9 #273 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Monday, November 24 2008 Volume 09 : Number 273 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] State of the Union [G Evans ] re [RS] Brennan Coffeehouse Concert November 21, 2008 [Bill Rockenbach ] Re: [RS] State of the Union ["Carol Love" ] [RS] Re: State of the Union [rongrittz@aol.com] [RS] ShinOlla IMAC Nov 22, 2008 [Bartley Gallagher Subject: [RS] State of the Union I agree with others....this was my favourite of the new songs (or at least the ones we got to hear on the UK tour 18 months back). I'm beginning to wonder now whether I've totally misread it though.....for me it's the story of a petty criminal/junkie who has decided to make an attempt at rahabilitating himself in the wake of 9/11. Against the odds he seems to crave redemption and a fresh start....Bush doing a sabre-rattling 'State of the Union' speech for me is entirely in the sub-plot of the song (merely providing a context to the character struggling to sort himself out). Is there a hidden layer that I'm missing that makes this song reduntant and irrelevant now that Obama is elected and Bush is condemned to the rubbish bins of history? Besides which everything can come around again (sadly)....last night I saw Tim O'Brien in concert and he dusted off the old Depression era lament "Brother can you spare a dime". This wonderful song might have appeared like a historical footnote in the recent more plentiful years but last night it resonated in a very contemporary way. gerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:04:18 +0900 From: Bill Rockenbach Subject: re [RS] Brennan Coffeehouse Concert November 21, 2008 I'll vote for keeping it on the album, hidden or listed. Really great songs have "intrinsic relevancy", social or otherwise, and RS has favored us with plenty of them. Back to lurking, - -- Bill in Japan > I just have to balk at the idea that a protest song like > State of the Union is suddenly *irrelevant*. > > - --Vanessa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:30:52 -0500 From: "Carol Love" Subject: Re: [RS] Re: Oh my! .........I thought he wasn't doing "You Stay Here" because that is the infamous YouTube video where he forgets the lyrics. He said at his Tampa show that due to YouTube he isn't taking any requests that he can't play in his sleep. He was a great sport about it, but I suspect he's the kind of perfectionist who really doesn't enjoy a gaffe going world wide. RS said even his buddies in Argentina were razzing him about it. Has he discussed this at other shows?? ..Carol On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 11:15 PM, wrote: > >> He said he couldn't play Wisteria anymore cause of his finger. Ron, I > know you > posted a list of songs he wasn't able to do with his finger being messed > up.? Is > Fleur de Lis one of them too? << > > I only specifically remember him saying that the finger injury was keeping > him from playing "Wisteria," "Fenario" and "You Stay Here." > > RG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:40:18 -0500 From: "Carol Love" Subject: Re: [RS] State of the Union Gerry, My husband and I pulled "State of the Union" up on YouTube last night for another listen and we both thought the same thing. Most of the theme is universal, it's only specific in a couple of lines. I could very well be missing something, but it didn't seem to need much more than the Ashcroft switch in "Transit". But Norm's right, he DID say that "Sandy" was not going on the album -- and it did. And the sad truth is that even if Obama is all that we hope, he is going to inherit such a mess that he will be in his second term before we see daylight again. I teach in a public school that is getting hammered with W's "Every Child Left Behind", and I KNOW that with the war, Wall Street, etc -- my woes will still be here for a while. And more importantly, under served students will still be getting shafted. Oh, and speaking of RS saying he's happy now about Obama, during his show here he actually referred to Bush as an "asshole". So beautiful to have a pure moment of un-political correctness. ....Carol On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 6:04 AM, G Evans wrote: > I agree with others....this was my favourite of the new songs (or at least > the ones we got to hear on the UK tour 18 months back). I'm beginning to > wonder now whether I've totally misread it though.....for me it's the story > of a petty criminal/junkie who has decided to make an attempt at > rahabilitating himself in the wake of 9/11. Against the odds he seems to > crave redemption and a fresh start....Bush doing a sabre-rattling 'State of > the Union' speech for me is entirely in the sub-plot of the song (merely > providing a context to the character struggling to sort himself out). > > Is there a hidden layer that I'm missing that makes this song reduntant and > irrelevant now that Obama is elected and Bush is condemned to the rubbish > bins of history? > > Besides which everything can come around again (sadly)....last night I saw > Tim O'Brien in concert and he dusted off the old Depression era lament > "Brother can you spare a dime". This wonderful song might have appeared like > a historical footnote in the recent more plentiful years but last night it > resonated in a very contemporary way. > > gerry > - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Human beings were not meant to sit in little cubicles staring at computer screens all day, filling out useless forms and listening to eight different bosses drone on about mission statements." ....."Office Space" - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:27:05 -0500 From: rongrittz@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: State of the Union >> My husband and I pulled "State of the Union" up on YouTube last night for another listen and we both thought the same thing. Most of the theme is universal, it's only specific in a couple of lines.? I could very well be missing something, but it didn't seem to need much more than the Ashcroft switch in "Transit". << Agreed, It actually seems as simple as making the last verse past tense instead of present tense. RG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:27:40 -0500 From: Bartley Gallagher Subject: [RS] ShinOlla IMAC Nov 22, 2008 ShinOlla, Olladell, ShindAbelle, ShindOlladell, OllaShindabelle... Intermedia Arts Center, Huntington, NY - Nov 22, 2008 Tonight we were treated to Richard with 3/5 of Ollabelle: Byron Isaacs, bass and lap steel, Tony Leone, drums, and Fiona McBain acoustic and electric guitar. They all sing well and pride themselves on voice. Missing were Amy Helm and Glenn Patscha who were on mapaternity leave; a competent young Jared Samuel subbing for Patscha on keyboards. Set 1 Gone Gone Gone - a cappella vocal treat Arcadian Driftwood - Bouzouki Long Black Veil - Tony sings this one. Good job sounding a bit like The Band. Elijah Rock - Fiona Next Best Western - this one didn't click Texas Rangers - Bouzouki played very well Remember to Forget - Fiona singing with nice backing from Byron and RS. Brotherly Love - Byron sings while adding grooving bass lines, Cool keyboard solo, RS adds little on electric guitar. A Change is Gonna Come - Richard with a high lead vocal that bought smiles, and adding "Oh Yes It DID!" as an ending refrain. Well done, well received. Set 2 Sittin' on Top of the World Storms on the Ocean - a nicely done duet by Fiona and Richard with Byron adding lap steel flavors. There Goes Mavis - neat drum treatment by Tony, nice harmonies. Reunion Hill Bird Can Sing - Tony Leone sings, not the Beatles tune. Get Up Clara - the only "new one". RS said it was the first time he played it using an electric guitar. Transit - Just great, see below Blue Northern Lights - RS Vocals and acoustic guitar, this Glenn Patscha song fits Richard well. And yes Janet, Blue Northern Lights would be a good cover for the new one. Deal - a rousing high point with Richard happily strumming his acoustic and some Rebennackesq piano from Jared Samuel. Ripple - Fiona owns this one. RS on bouzouki. Fiona asked us to "join in" but I'm glad no one around me did, would have spoiled it. My wife mocks my shower songs; I'm gonna' sing with Fiona??? So shut the hell up everyone. The artists only say they want you to sing because they are being nice, especially if you were to ask them, "Do you like when I sing along with you?" What are they supposed to say? Singing in solidarity at a rally is OK. Singing the National Anthem or God Bless America, or Hymns at a public/church event is OK. Singing a refrain or chorus, when actively encouraged by the artist is OK. Singing around the campfire is OK. Singing at a large outdoor show with lots of beer is OK. Singing alone in the car is OK, unless you are stopped at a light. Singing along with Peter, Paul & Mary is OK too. Encore Soul of a Man Are You Happy Now - there are plenty in the crowd that still love this on. On Transit , Richard sang solo until the harmonies came in perfectly only at the choir part near the end, very uplifting. Tony Leone was tasteful with his drumming. Concluding this time with a brief instrumental at the end instead of the swift vocal ending at "all of their faces" that gave a sister lister goosebumps at a recent show. I've long thought that a jam should develop here to finish Transit or morph into ??? And, especially here was hoping for more with the able Ollabelle and RS on electric guitar. But a Richard Thompson on electric he isn't, especially with the damaged digit, but who is? Where's Larry? Please get Ollabelle's new live album "Before This Time" recorded by our own Rich Rothenberg. You will not be disappointed. It's available as a CD or a Download. http://www.ollabelle.net/index.cfm There's Larry, he's on the record. Also check out their American Beauty Project of Grateful Dead music. Oh bell, collect them all! Overall a good night that would have been better with Helm, Patscha...and spoil me, Larry Campbell. The following is a totally non-related Dad-brag: Hey, my daughter is in the Thanksgiving Parade, playing flute with the Marching Royal Dukes of James Madison University! Taking the family to the Parade! Happy Thanksgiving Everyone! Bart ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V9 #273 ***********************************