From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V9 #210 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Wednesday, March 5 2008 Volume 09 : Number 210 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [RS] WUMB Live at Noon today - Feb. 29, 2008 ["Matthew Bullis" ] Re: [RS] Waist deep in Richard's songs. [rongrittz@aol.com] Re: [RS] Waist deep in Richard's songs. ["Chris Foxwell" ] [RS] The Humpback Whale [G Evans ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 18:25:26 -0700 From: "Matthew Bullis" Subject: Re: [RS] WUMB Live at Noon today - Feb. 29, 2008 Hello, the interview was repeated at midnight Eastern, and was very deep. That's Nic Jones by the way, not Nick Lowe. Richard was inspired by Nic Jones' version of Humpback Whale, though they then played Richard's studio version. I did record it though, but don't know how to really deliver it, or in what format anyone would like it. I got the whole show.Dave Palmater, the interviewer, thought that Balloon Man was either about nostalgia or loss. Thanks a lot. Matthew ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:40:38 -0500 From: Howie Subject: Re: [RS] Waist deep in Richard's songs. At 04:08 PM 3/4/2008, Ron rote: >>>No overarching symbolism, no layered meanings << > >You know, as I think about Richard's songs, I've never really >considered them to be loaded down with overarching symbolism or >layered meanings. Yeah, I guess there's some in "Mavis," "Transit" >and a handful of others, but for the most part, they've always >seemed (to me, anyway) to be relatively straightforward story songs >or character pieces. > >Am I wrong here? Hey, Doc, I'll have some of what he's having. - -Howie - -- Howie Lyhte howie@pobox.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Academic training was instrumental. You have to understand the language of society before you can start stretching and subverting it and ripping and tearing it and burning it and watching the plastic drip on the ants." Mark Pauline ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 23:40:39 -0500 From: rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Waist deep in Richard's songs. >> Fleur de Lis has always struck me as straight forward, and devoid of discernible symbolism. << Clearly. And the guy in "By Now" is . . . well, we've gone down that road before. So to speak. RG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 00:23:12 -0500 From: "Chris Foxwell" Subject: Re: [RS] Waist deep in Richard's songs. On 3/4/08, john cliirigh wrote: > > Fleur de Lis has always struck me as straight forward, and devoid of > discernible symbolism. ;-) > > > john > > Heh, ha. Hee. Oh man, thanks, I needed a good laugh. Whooo. ;) Chris "We were born in a dark age out of due time (for us). But there is this comfort: otherwise we should not know, or so much love, what we do love. I imagine the fish out of water is the only fish to have an inkling of water." - --J.R.R. Tolkien ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 00:38:48 -0500 From: "Chris Foxwell" Subject: Re: [RS] My Friends On 3/4/08, Gregory Dennis wrote: > > I am very sorry to hear about the loss of your friends, Bill. > > FWIW, as I understand the song and the context within which Seeger wrote > it > (as a vet himself) the "fools" reference is not to the brave people > fighting > either war, but to the leaders that sent them to war. > > - Greg > > Likewise, Bill. I'm sorry for your friends, and for anyone's friends who have died over there, including my own. And for all the brave men and women everywhere who have given their lives for their country. As Greg said, I've never once interpreted the song as labeling the soldiers as fools. Just the political/bureaucratic leadership who landed their people in such messes. To put it bluntly, the "damn fool" in the song is meant to be the President, and those other high-ranking politicians pulling the strings, both in Seeger's original and in Richard's retelling (though the presidents and administrations obviously differ). I've never heard anyone interpret it differently, including Richard when he comments on the song before/after playing it, and I've certainly never heard anyone conclude that the song is critical of the soldiers who bravely and faithfully serve their country. Chris "We were born in a dark age out of due time (for us). But there is this comfort: otherwise we should not know, or so much love, what we do love. I imagine the fish out of water is the only fish to have an inkling of water." - --J.R.R. Tolkien ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 23:35:12 -0800 (PST) From: G Evans Subject: [RS] The Humpback Whale I'm finding it difficult to imagine Nick Lowe covering this song! In fact Richard learnt the song after hearing a version by the English folk singer NIC JONES. Nic's 1980 album 'Penguin Eggs' is truly indispensable (and I know Richard would concur with this). If anyone's not heard Nic's music you can start by sampling the tracks at http://www.myspace.com/planxtyjones For starters listen to 'Canadee-i-o' and IMHO you should immediately hear the extent to which Nic Jones' playing and singing has influenced Richard's. Guitar anoraks who might want to attempt to deconstruct the guitar accompaniment on 'Canadee-i-o' will find various other guitarists doing just the same all over YouTube! gerry ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V9 #210 ***********************************