From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V9 #173 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Sunday, October 14 2007 Volume 09 : Number 173 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [RS] Live shows for sale? [LN Davis ] [RS] Re: richard maybe selling downloads of live shows [Em ] [RS] Live Recording [B Gallagher ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 22:23:21 -0400 From: LN Davis Subject: Re: [RS] Live shows for sale? Joe Lanzalotto wrote: > Kind of surprising that he would endorse in any way the sharing of his > material in this manner, don't you think? > Why? I fail to understand why performers do not do so. In ancient times when I was on the Al Stewart list we had a whole "tape bank" of traded shows going back to the 1970s. They were marvelous and couldn't be found anywhere else. Al used to have people plug into the "board" or whatever it was.. So did some other performers...I've heard Richard do shoes in slightly less ancient times, the 90s, and they were in many cases miles better than the recordings. I mean of course I like the CDs but for those of us who prefer the spare acoustic approach it was just a breath of fresh air to go to the shows. If you are a "fan" then you can't have too many shows and you certainly aren't going to spend any less money! And if the show was a flop nobody would be trying to share it! Oh how I wish someone would track down BIll Domler's widow in Hartford and get his recordings from his tiny place "the Speediest Printer in Town," where Richard played to shows of 20-40, tops!!! Of course he did have contractual limitations on getting involved with this directly, I know that... I'll go get out an old video of "Diva" again and watch it, if anybody knows what I'm referring to....... Lisa Davis ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 07:43:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: [RS] Re: richard maybe selling downloads of live shows I would really love it if this happened. "Courier" is one of my all time fave albums, and to me, "live" seems to be one of the best ways of experienceing Richard's very, ummm, "attractive" guitar work. So I would welcome the opp. to trade my $$$ for some more of the live stuff. :) In other Richardly thoughts: (despite and initial aversion to SLPAD) the words "es un monstro grande y pisa fuerte" keep coming to mind and kind of haunting me......especially "pisa fuerte", often while watching the news. On a slightly more humorous note, there's this guy at my work - in my mind I've nicknamed him "Pisa Fuerte". Happy Sat! Em ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 10:17:14 -0400 From: "Joe Lanzalotto" Subject: RE: [RS] Live shows for sale? Having done a LOT of collecting of live material for San Francisco artists (Quicksilver, Airplane, not the Dead!) I have some familiarity with the issue and have talked to a number of artists about the issue. The reason that most of them have cited to me is that THEY want to control the presentation of their music. There is also the issue of the money that they may or may not be losing via unauthorized releases of their music. That point of course is arguable. The bottom line to me, however, is that the music and performances are THEIRS and I support their right to both say "no" to bootleg recording and distribution and if they want, "yes". Their choice, not ours. My original question stands - isn't it surprising that Richard would endorse this? I ask the question because many moons ago when I saw him at a house concert he was emphatic in his opposition to this kind of distribution. As he then pointed out (and I wasn't an active participant in the conversation, just a listener) it is HIS music, no one else's and he has the legal right to decide when and how to share it. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:49:12 -0400 From: B Gallagher Subject: [RS] Live Recording > Joe wrote: Kind of surprising that he would endorse in any way the sharing of his material in this manner, don't you think? - ---- Actually no. I don't think so. There are many artists/bands open to sharing- not selling, which often introduces a band to new fans. But, most live shows are SHARED amongst the true fans. If Richard, or any other artist, puts out an official live recording, I'm still going to buy it; no matter how many "bootlegs" I may have. So I don't think unofficial concert recordings cut into a performers income; Unless the performer is selling the live show himself, and in that case the now "official" recording had better be superior to an audience tape. I do believe that the only one to sell should be the performer. I have never been asked for any compensation by any 'taper' for any of the few live shows that I have (different musicians). And, I would suggest that Mr. Shindell could easily sell many copies of a good recording, soundboard and ambient mike mix, for a nominal fee $10.? to those concert attendees. Especially with today's technology as such a recording could be ready almost immediately following a show. It would also help if notification of the availability of such were announced on this list. Let RS post it. Finally, archiving is another aspect of recording that has little to do with making money. The archivist is interest in the technical practice of capturing a good quality recording of a performance, now always shared with the artist. Thankfully we have SOME Robert Johnson. Who wouldn't want some acoustic Stevie Ray Vaughn, woefully under-recorded - or insert artist name here - to be available later, maybe even through the Smithsonian, for study or to produce documentaries... And, such a recording could be sold by the artist now. Bart ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V9 #173 ***********************************