From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V7 #208 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Friday, September 9 2005 Volume 07 : Number 208 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] FEMA Quote. [Jason Stanley ] [RS] other recordings [BillyP122@aol.com] [RS] Re: Louisiana [Jean Walker - Gmail ] Re: [RS] Re: Louisiana [Sandy Smith ] Re: [RS] other recordings [Janet Cinelli ] [RS] RE: FEMA Quote (No RS content) [Jamie Younghans / John McDonnell ] Re: [RS] FEMA : waist deep in the big easy [tjhuot@comcast.net (Thomas Hu] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 07:27:16 -0500 From: Jason Stanley Subject: [RS] FEMA Quote. >Hi All, > Was just listening to Waist Deep in the Big Muddy and was just struck by >the contrast between the alacrity with which the war was pursued and the >utter neglect of people who really needed help. Can't believe that the head >of FEMA actually admitted he didn't know evacuees were in the Superdome >until Thursday. > > John McD. > >------------------------------ > >End of shindell-list-digest V7 #207 >*********************************** > > > > The head of Fema actually said that they didn't know that people were in the convention center, not the superdome. Everyone was thought to be housed in the the superdome. Still kind of odd that such a big place would be overlooked but I thought it should be pointed out, especially considering you are implying that there was such a huge lack of effort. Another good point is that the Red Cross had food, water and hygiene supplies ready to go and authorities in New Orleans wouldn't let them in. Keep in mind that it was a local and state issue on when and what to do in the event of a hurricane and they Mayor and Governor (Democrats by the way) are feuding about who should do what even now. I am definitely saddened for the hurricane victims but I am really starting to get annoyed at all the Bush bashing especially since he told the Governor she should evacuate before the hurricane hit and she waited 24 hours before making a decision. There were scores of school buses and the like to get people out but they got flooded since nobody did anything. Many more people will die now as well due to her lack of judgement by not forcing evacation. Once the diseases hit, many more will lose their lives. I expect 99 percent of you to disagree based on passed discussions but I thought I would put my 2 cents in. Jason Stanley ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 09:58:54 EDT From: BillyP122@aol.com Subject: [RS] other recordings In a message dated 9/9/05 4:55:54 AM, owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org writes: << Does anyone know of any other RS collections/recordings? >> John, I got a copy of Jay Ansill's "A Lost World: Poems of Robert Graves Set as Songs" on which RS sings "A Jealous Man." However, I've never been able to find copies of the Bob Dylan nor Christine Lavin "Tribute" CDs on which he also sings. It'd be nice if the website could have a complete listing of his non-solo recording projects. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 09:19:36 -0700 From: Jean Walker - Gmail Subject: [RS] Re: Louisiana Actually, Michael Brown/FEMA said he didn't know there were evacuees in the *convention*center* until Thursday. Not defending the guy ... just clarifying ... On 9/9/05, shindell-list-digest wrote: > > Can't believe that the head > of FEMA actually admitted he didn't know evacuees were in the Superdome > until Thursday. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 11:57:58 -0700 From: Sandy Smith Subject: Re: [RS] Re: Louisiana That's odd - I remember reading about evacuees in the Convention Center on Wednesday. I read my news online, but I don't remember which site it was. It might have been BBC.com - they sometimes report on US news before any of the US news sources do. On Sep 9, 2005, at 9:19 AM, Jean Walker - Gmail wrote: > Actually, Michael Brown/FEMA said he didn't know there were > evacuees in the > *convention*center* until Thursday. > > Not defending the guy ... just clarifying ... > > On 9/9/05, shindell-list-digest digest@smoe.org> wrote: > >> >> Can't believe that the head >> of FEMA actually admitted he didn't know evacuees were in the >> Superdome >> until Thursday. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 13:23:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Janet Cinelli Subject: Re: [RS] other recordings - --- BillyP122@aol.com wrote: > However, I've never been able to find copies of the Bob Dylan nor Christine Lavin "Tribute" CDs on which he also sings. I was able to buy Christine Lavin's cd on Amazon. The Dylan cd I found on Ebay. Janet Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 20:35:56 -0400 From: Jamie Younghans / John McDonnell Subject: [RS] RE: FEMA Quote (No RS content) Hi All, On Fri Sep 9 08:27:16 2005, Jason Stanley wrote: >>The head of Fema actually said that they didn't know that people were in the convention center, not the superdome.<< I stand corrected--I was thinking of the convention center when I wrote Superdome, but something of a distinction without a difference. The hurricane was not Bush's fault(though I'm surprised he didn't try to blame Al Qaida), and the incompetence of the Mayor and the Governor are worthy of this administration despite their being Democrats. However, there is no denying that the Army Corp of Engineer's requests for funding for the levees of Lake Ponchartrain has been consistently slashed--this year Bush asked for less than $4 million, which is $23 million dollars less than requested. He forced out Congressman Parker, when he complained about the lack of funding. Local bodies who rely on Federal funding for drainage and flood control wanted a little over sixty million --the administration proposed ten million. It's also curious that Bush said he doesn't want to "play the blame game," but proceeds to do just that by blaming local and State government. There's enough to go around. I just felt that the administration's reaction to the disaster was similar to that of the consequences of the Iraq invasion--poor planning, mismanagement, a cavalier attitude and denial of the inevitabilities (he said no one thought the levees would be breached, when local papers had been writing about it for years). It couldn't handle either one competetently. John McD ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 21:12:06 -0400 From: "Norman Johnson" Subject: [RS] FEMA : waist deep in the big easy Jason wrote: >> The head of Fema actually said that they didn't know that people were in the convention center, not the superdome. Everyone was thought to be housed in the the superdome. Still kind of odd that such a big place would be overlooked but I thought it should be pointed out, especially considering you are implying that there was such a huge lack of effort. << Problem was that Brown was the last to know that there were people in the Convention Center. The media had been reporting on those people for at least 24 hrs, if not 48 hrs, before Brown admitted that there were people there. Moreover, Brown was unqualified to handle the job, unless you consider being the college roomie of Bush's campaign manager a qualification. There are also allegations that Brown fudged his resume' http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N09356821.htm >> Time magazine reported Brown's biography on the FEMA Web site overstated his disaster relief experience. He was said to have been an "assistant city manager with emergency services oversight" in Edmond, Oklahoma, but a city official said the job was actually "assistant to the city manager," with little responsibility.<< >> he told the Governor she should evacuate before the hurricane hit and she waited 24 hours before making a decision<< I haven't seen confirmed reports that that happened. Do you have a source? But even assume that the governor shares some blame, Bush is the President and he is the one with whom the buck stops. This was a federal emergency, and Bush is head of the exec. branch of the federal govt. His response was dreadful. Norman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 19:50:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Deb Woodell Subject: [RS] Blame game John wrote, > It's also curious that Bush said he doesn't want to > "play the blame game," > but proceeds to do just that by blaming local and > State government. There's > enough to go around. - -- Let's not forget the hypothesis put forward by the folks at "Repent America" -- that God merely was destroying a wicked city that welcomed gays each Labor Day weekend for a festival. I'm embarrassed that this knucklehead outfit is from the same part of the country that I am. Deb This I have learned: Because we can, we must try to change the world -- fully, wisely, restlessly. -- Rudy Nemser == Life is such a changing art. -- Dar Williams == Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 03:20:32 +0000 From: tjhuot@comcast.net (Thomas Huot) Subject: Re: [RS] FEMA : waist deep in the big easy This blame game thing has gone too way too far for me at this point. Let's just get the job done. Don't some of you feel like I do? This country is going down the tubes as far as our government goes, and by that I am referring to both parties. The Republicans are in office right now which makes them bear more responsibility, but the Dems were, and are no better in reality. Let's face it, the Mayor of N.O. and the governor of Louisiana are certainly not without blame either. Thank God for the goodness of the common folk who have pitched in so generously to help these unfortunate people. At least that gives me some hope. We need a clean sweep of government. Let's vote all of them out and start fresh! We certainly can't be any worse off. - -- Tom Huot tjhuot@comcast.net > Jason wrote: > > >> The head of Fema actually said that they didn't know that people were in > the convention center, not the superdome. Everyone was thought to be housed > in the the superdome. Still kind of odd that such a big place would be > overlooked but I thought it should be pointed out, especially considering > you are implying that there was such a huge lack of effort. << > > Problem was that Brown was the last to know that there were people in the > Convention Center. The media had been reporting on those people for at least > 24 hrs, if not 48 hrs, before Brown admitted that there were people there. > > Moreover, Brown was unqualified to handle the job, unless you consider being > the college roomie of Bush's campaign manager a qualification. There are > also allegations that Brown fudged his resume' > > http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N09356821.htm > > >> Time magazine reported Brown's biography on the FEMA Web site overstated > his disaster relief experience. He was said to have been an "assistant city > manager with emergency services oversight" in Edmond, Oklahoma, but a city > official said the job was actually "assistant to the city manager," with > little responsibility.<< > > >> he told the Governor she should evacuate before the hurricane hit and she > waited 24 hours before making a decision<< > > I haven't seen confirmed reports that that happened. Do you have a source? > > But even assume that the governor shares some blame, Bush is the President > and he is the one with whom the buck stops. This was a federal emergency, > and Bush is head of the exec. branch of the federal govt. His response was > dreadful. > > Norman ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V7 #208 ***********************************