From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V7 #35 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Friday, February 4 2005 Volume 07 : Number 035 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: RE: [RS] Half Clean or Half Muddy? [] Re: RE: [RS] Half Clean or Half Muddy? ["kunigunda" ] RE: [RS] Half Clean or Half Muddy? [Janet Cinelli ] [RS] Tracy Grammer's new cd [Theresa Marsik ] [RS] hey ["Bill Chmelir" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 6:28:02 -0600 From: Subject: Re: RE: [RS] Half Clean or Half Muddy? Tom, I think you're on the mark, but I cannot see a "third party" ever. Polarization seems to be the name of the game these days. Too bad. Joe > > From: "Thomas J. Huot" > Date: 2005/02/03 Thu PM 11:00:38 CST > To: > Subject: RE: [RS] Half Clean or Half Muddy? > > Unfortunately, the nastiness seems to be coming from both sides. I've done > what I think I said I would never do, and that is to ignore it all and hope > for the best. It's against my grain, but I feel helpless at the moment. We > might as well face the facts, as I see them ... Until a third party comes > along which is viable, we are going to be in a stalemate, which in my humble > opinion is better than either side accomplishing anything. > > Does anyone else on this list feel the same as I do? I used to feel like > what I said and voted for meant something. Not any more. > > Depressed in Santa Fe. > > _____________ > Tom Huot > tjhuot@comcast.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Norman Johnson > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 5:28 PM > To: shindell-list@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [RS] Half Clean or Half Muddy? > > Bill, I would be happy to debate you but I ask that you refrain from > insults. > > But I think Richard was right about the nastiness coming from the political > right. > > Norman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Chmelir" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 12:31 PM > Subject: [RS] Half Clean or Half Muddy? > > > > Hey all, > > > > Glad to read there are at least some "half full" thinkers here in > > considering to the Iraqi election. > > > > Vanessa and Norman, despite what Teddy "Chappaquiddick" Kennedy and John > > "Trophy Husband" Kerry might tell you, the situation in Iraq has very > little > > in common with the war in Viet Nam other than both being wars. I can > > provide for you a list of the dissimilarities between the two if you like. > > > > Alan, if Iraq is just about oil, why didn't the US claim Kuwait for it's > own > > after we liberated it from Saddam? Is it truly your opinion that freedom > > has nothing to do with why we are in Iraq? Sure the security situation > > there sucks right now. Personally, if I were an Iraqi I would be thankful > > > for the opportunity to die on my feet fighting terrorists rather than live > > > on my knees under Saddam. > > > > Waste Deep In The Big Muddy is a pretty catchy tune. As a world view it > > lacks vision for a better tomorrow for anyone living in oppression. > > > > Peace, > > Bill > > > > PS - I think Mark Morford should see about getting a course of rabbis > shots ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 07:28:53 -0600 From: "kunigunda" Subject: Re: RE: [RS] Half Clean or Half Muddy? Ditto. It IS depressing......just life here on earth as a homo sapien, I guess. Sometimes I'm ashamed of my species. Carrie in KC > Tom, I think you're on the mark, but I cannot see a "third party" ever. > Polarization seems to be the name of the game these days. Too bad. > > Joe >> Depressed in Santa Fe. _____________ >> Tom Huot - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.4 - Release Date: 2/1/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 05:32:42 -0800 (PST) From: Janet Cinelli Subject: RE: [RS] Half Clean or Half Muddy? THis is EXACTLY how I feel, most of all helpless! I know ignoring it isn't a solution either but when the problem is so big and you're one person, what can you do? Try and hope for the best but that's not much, I know. Sticking my head in the sand, Janet - --- "Thomas J. Huot" wrote: > Unfortunately, the nastiness seems to be coming from > both sides. I've done > what I think I said I would never do, and that is to > ignore it all and hope > for the best. It's against my grain, but I feel > helpless at the moment. We > might as well face the facts, as I see them ... > Until a third party comes > along which is viable, we are going to be in a > stalemate, which in my humble > opinion is better than either side accomplishing > anything. > > Does anyone else on this list feel the same as I do? > I used to feel like > what I said and voted for meant something. Not any > more. > > Depressed in Santa Fe. > > _____________ > Tom Huot > tjhuot@comcast.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org] On > Behalf Of Norman Johnson > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 5:28 PM > To: shindell-list@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [RS] Half Clean or Half Muddy? > > Bill, I would be happy to debate you but I ask that > you refrain from > insults. > > But I think Richard was right about the nastiness > coming from the political > right. > > Norman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Chmelir" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 12:31 PM > Subject: [RS] Half Clean or Half Muddy? > > > > Hey all, > > > > Glad to read there are at least some "half full" > thinkers here in > > considering to the Iraqi election. > > > > Vanessa and Norman, despite what Teddy > "Chappaquiddick" Kennedy and John > > "Trophy Husband" Kerry might tell you, the > situation in Iraq has very > little > > in common with the war in Viet Nam other than both > being wars. I can > > provide for you a list of the dissimilarities > between the two if you like. > > > > Alan, if Iraq is just about oil, why didn't the US > claim Kuwait for it's > own > > after we liberated it from Saddam? Is it truly > your opinion that freedom > > has nothing to do with why we are in Iraq? Sure > the security situation > > there sucks right now. Personally, if I were an > Iraqi I would be thankful > > > for the opportunity to die on my feet fighting > terrorists rather than live > > > on my knees under Saddam. > > > > Waste Deep In The Big Muddy is a pretty catchy > tune. As a world view it > > lacks vision for a better tomorrow for anyone > living in oppression. > > > > Peace, > > Bill > > > > PS - I think Mark Morford should see about getting > a course of rabbis > shots > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 08:38:01 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Theresa Marsik Subject: [RS] Tracy Grammer's new cd I don't know if people know this, but Tracy's new website is up and runnig (www.tracygrammer.com). If you go to the music tab, you can pre-order her new solo cd, Flower of Avalon. The official release date is April 26th, but if you pre-order it from her site, you can have it sent to you by mid-March. Please share this info with anyone else who may be interested. Richard content? Well, due to a nasty bout of the stomach flu, I had to skip both nights of the Ann Arbor Folk Festival. According to the paper, Richard was wonderful. Of course, they didn't have any details regarding what songs he played or even how many songs he played. Theresa ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:53:26 -0800 From: "Bill Chmelir" Subject: [RS] hey Hey, Yes, Shindell music. I'd love to talk about the live Shindell music I just heard like the rest of you get to on a regular basis but he never comes to the places I'm living anymore. Not since with Joan Baez in Boulder. Colorado, Alabama, and now Oregon in the last 2 years. Hopefully I have a decent shot at seeing him in Oregon or maybe the Bay area this year. I love the music in Big Muddy. Those quick hand drums ( I don't know what those are called. some kind of congas?) are awesome. I just think the message is written from the perspective of someone who hasn't served. Was the original artist a soldier? By the way, Lieutenants are in charge of 99% of the Army's "good platoons". Lieutenants are platoon leaders. Captains are Company Commanders. Details details.... I always say that if you can't laugh at yourself and at the thought of Ted Kennedy preaching ethics... I don't understand how anyone can give that guy a pass on the death of a 19-year-old girl and try to tell me that it is wrong and illegal to get rid of Saddam Hussein. I'd like to appologize to Israel for the misspelling. I've obviously become to dependant on spell check. If you're looking for lefty nastiness, look no further than the Mark Morford article posted on this list the other day. If you don't consider it to be nasty then you and I come from different planets. There's been nothing but praise paid on to the article on this list. As a soldier, and as the friend of and the brother to men and women (not "Children") serving currently in Kosovo, Iraq, Kuwait, Afghanastan, Germany, Korea, Honduras, and the states, I was offended by the article. The nasiness in todays politics runs both ways. Don't kid yourself. Peace, Bill ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V7 #35 **********************************