From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V7 #11 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Thursday, January 13 2005 Volume 07 : Number 011 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [RS] cold missouri waters [rfoxwell@wso.williams.edu] Re: [RS] cold missouri waters ["kunigunda" ] [RS] Shades of Black Shades of Blue [adam plunkett ] Re: [RS] Go ahead, push your luck... ["Sandra J. Smith" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:41:07 -0500 From: rfoxwell@wso.williams.edu Subject: Re: [RS] cold missouri waters Quoting Norman Johnson : > I found a very interesting essay about the Mann Gulch fire and Cold Missouri > Waters. > > http://www.sea-of-flowers.ca/weblog/sea/archives/2004/10/cold_missouri_w.php Great find, Norman, that's an excellent essay. I'd love to read MacLean's treatment of the tragedy. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:53:15 -0600 From: "kunigunda" Subject: Re: [RS] cold missouri waters 3 things.... I read the essay also. Interesting. Was checking the library for the book and came up with this video done by the history channel. Fire on the mountain [videorecording] Wolfinger, Lisa. Title: Fire on the mountain [videorecording] / Lone Wolf Pictures for the History Channel ; produced, written and directed by Lisa Quijano Wolfinger. Publication info: New York, N.Y. : A&E Television Networks, [2002]. ISBN: 0767051114 Physical descrip: 1 videocassette (ca. 100 min.) : sd. col. with b&w sequences ; 1/2 in. Credits: Director of photography, Sean Glenn ; editor, Tony Bacon ; music, Robert Neufeld. Performer: Scott Glenn. Summary: Looks at the investigation by John Maclean of the deaths of 14 firefighters on Storm King Mountain in 1994, which became his book Fire on the mountain. Due to his father's connection with the Mann Gulch tragedy 45 years earlier he refused to believe the official report which blamed the judgement of the individual fire fighters for the tragedy. Also checked the Keelaghan website and discovered that he has a new cd out - Then Again - which is a reworking of his 11 best loved songs. Of course Cold Missouri Waters is one of them. Appears he may like Richard's CCC version better than his own? "And 'Cold Missouri Waters' contains a slight change of lyric and a musical embellishment borrowed from the Cry Cry Cry version. It also refers now to "West Montana" rather than "North Montana" after Keelaghan had his geography corrected by an audience member at a concert in the state." On a different note....and this may be old news....it's the first I've heard of it.... Keelaghan says, "U.S. Immigration Policies Are Keeping Us Out!" Artists from every country on the globe are having a great deal of trouble getting into the United states to perform due to the Length of time it is taking US governmental agencies to process visa applications. The delays, which began to appear in ernest in July 2001 and which coincided with the introduction of a $1000 expediting fee, one might say a calculated cash grab, have only been exacerbated by 9-11 attack. They have kept artists like Andy Irvine, Archie Fisher, Sierra Maestra and others out of the US, not because they are security threats, but because the Agencies involved seem incapable of processing the applications in a timely fashion. Some artists, submitting up to 4 months in advance of their tours, have had to cancel because as of their tour start dates, there is no answer on their Visas. The North American Folk Alliance has done some good work on the issue and has some ideas for what you, if you are from the United States, can do to help. For more information visit: http://www.folk.org/ Advocacy/advocacy.htm Carrie in KC - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [RS] cold missouri waters > Quoting Norman Johnson : > > > I found a very interesting essay about the Mann Gulch fire and Cold Missouri > > Waters. > > > > http://www.sea-of-flowers.ca/weblog/sea/archives/2004/10/cold_missouri_w.php > > Great find, Norman, that's an excellent essay. I'd love to read MacLean's > treatment of the tragedy. > - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:50:41 -0800 (PST) From: adam plunkett Subject: [RS] Shades of Black Shades of Blue http://www.charleslyonhart.com/tommy.htm On that website is a mp3 of the Shindell cover of "Shades of Black Shades of Blue" from the Signature Sounds 10th Annoversary CD. A great track, very Celtic....it should have been on the album! By the way, I get Dirty Linen in the mail and it is a very nice article. Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 04:02:44 +0000 From: k.m.oneill@att.net Subject: [RS] Go ahead, push your luck... Okay here it goes, my very first post on the Richard Shindell list and I have a question about the song "Are You Happy Now?" What do you think about it? I have to say...my head has been spinning as to something that seems a bit ambiguous. It is when he says "What comes out gray is really red". Here is what I wrote to a good friend about this song: First I was taken by it because it is about Halloween. I loved the images of little kids coming up on the porch dressed up and the fact that the lady had the nerve to take the Halloween candy with her as well as the spices. B*&%$!!Then, I realized that I wasn't getting all of the words at the beginning so I started to play it over and over. (skip back) and I hear that he has set the timer and he took a photo of his head. Okay he took a photo of his head I am ok with that. And then I listen a little further and find that he says "What comes out gray is really red" and I think the worst. Did he set the timer, shoot himself with a gun and then expected that a photo be taken of his demise? I listened over and over and that was the only conclusion but then I thought well Halloween...maybe he has that fake blood. Well, tonight, Luke(who is my 16 year old son) , bless his heart, listens to it with me. We are both thinking, thinking very hard and he says (insert lightbulb smiley here) that the guy stuck his tongue out in the photo. I am going with the tongue theory. It is so much easier to swallow. LOL So please if someone knows, let me know what exactly happened...I get a good feeling from this song because I know that the next day he sees what all of the pranksters have done to his house. hugs (in advance) because I know you will be kind to me and my very first post :-) katie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:06:54 -0500 From: B Gallagher Subject: [RS] AYHN The Tongue Theory, though compelling, is unproven. Shades of red appear as shades of gray/black on B&W film. The singer would never shoot himself and does not own a gun, much less a handgun. Perhaps just a metaphor for feeling badly - about the spices and candy. What is certain...The spices are PSR&T, and some 'oregano' in a Tri-X or Plus-X 35mm film canister. The missing candy. No doubt the unwrapped large orange (marshmallow) peanuts. And despite having heard it more than a few times; it is a good song. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:02:19 -0800 From: "Sandra J. Smith" Subject: Re: [RS] Go ahead, push your luck... I've always assumed that the line "what comes out grey is really red" in AYHN refers to the redness of his eyes, after crying. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:16:28 -0800 From: "Sandra J. Smith" Subject: [RS] Postscript about "Are You Happy Now" Once, when I heard RS perform this song, he introduced it by saying he thought it might work better as a punk song, sung, perhaps, by Henry Rollins. As someone to whom Mr. Rollins once made an obscene gesture from his car (no, not with his hand), I have to say this is a very interesting idea. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:06:12 -0500 From: Lisa Davis - home Subject: [RS] argentina Who was it who actually went to hear Richard in Argentina? Please reply off list! questions about travel. Thanks - Lisa Davis ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V7 #11 **********************************