From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V7 #9 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Tuesday, January 11 2005 Volume 07 : Number 009 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Manic Street Preachers [Bobdog25nj@aol.com] [RS] Mavis [Lorrie Clark ] [RS] cold missouri waters [Norman Johnson ] [RS] Richard On The Cover Of Dirty Linen! Feb/Mar Issue [Bobdog25nj@aol.c] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:36:50 EST From: Bobdog25nj@aol.com Subject: [RS] Manic Street Preachers In a message dated 1/10/2005 4:58:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org writes: Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:03:51 -0000 From: "Dave McKay" Subject: [RS] Manics > And who or what are "The Manic Street Preachers"? > I have never heard of them - anybody else? The Manics are a rock group from Wales. Their guitarist and lyricist Richey Edwards famously disappeared in 1995. They've won a string of awards, notably double Brit (the UK's Grammy equivalent)successes in 1997 and 1999 for best album and group. Everything Must Go, their 1996 CD, made practically every significant list of top releases in the UK for the year. .............................................................................. .................................. Thank you Dave for the answer to this question. Guess they are one of those groups who have a following in the eastern side of the pond - but not much of one in the states ( at least as far as I know). Thanks also to everyone for your comments on Glenn McDonald and his "War Against Silence" phrase -"Our Own Principles To Misconstrue". I found your comments interesting. My brain is still thinking about it. As far as Mr. McDonald's writing goes - I like the idea that he bothered to write detailed reviews of some of Richard's stuff better than what he actually wrote. He has a style of writing that seems to require me to re-read some of his sentences over and over - which I can't say I care for. But he does have a great command of the English language - and sometimes the reason I had to re-read the sentence is because he was saying something complicated - and that once I figured out the point he was trying to make - then I liked what he was saying. I am an engineer - we are famous for having trouble comprehending "artsy" stuff - and there is some reason for that reputation. So maybe it is just me who has trouble reading his stuff. ....................... As long as it's come up - was anybody else as creeped out as I was by Alberto Gonzales's testimony in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee? I mean - never mind what I said and wrote before - just listen to what I am saying now. Facts and history don't matter - I am whatever I say I am - and I believe whatever I say I believe. And for now - I am the guy who believes in the Geneva Convention - and will see to it that all American prisoners will be treated humanely - and pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. I have notice this "facts don't matter" thing coming up a lot lately in the Bush administration - where is George Orwell when we need him? bye... bob paterson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:37:48 -0500 From: Lorrie Clark Subject: [RS] Mavis Hello: I'm pretty much of a lurker on this list. I've been a huge fan of Richard's from the beginning -- since "Nora," which singlehandedly kept me from tuning out folk music. Good thing because there's so much good stuff out there, but "Nora" literally caught me just before I turned the dial thinking folk had become too benign (I know, I know, I was wrong, Richard or no Richard; it's just how I was feeling). Okay, so since then, I've seen him loads of times, alone and with CCC, but I have a kid now and have also been poor, so I haven't seen him lately and couldn't get "Vuelta" until someone gave it to me for Christmas. So I'm new to "Mavis," which I know you've all discussed at length. But I just have to say something to someone about it, and you all seem like the right crowd, if ever there was one. I think this song is a work of brilliance in the way that "On a Sea of Fleur de Lis" was, in that you can talk forever about what it's "about," but what really matters is the way it sinks right into your skin and makes itself at home. It matters less what it's about than what it is and what it does. (I know I'm speaking as though all of you feel as I do about both of these songs, which isn't the case, but there are some of you who do, right?) This song simply lives in me now, and as with all things exquisite, I now wonder how I ever lived without it. It feels like a bit of miraculousness (a little bolt of orange?), or a truth, that was just out there, unnoticed, and someone cared enough to it point out (gracias, Richard). I know there was some talk about whether or not the song was too sweet, and comments were tossed back and forth and maybe misconstrued in both directions -- I don't really know. But I wanted to say that I agree, sadly, that Mavis may very well have been flying off to her demise, and what gives me that feeling is the simple fact of how that wonderful bossa nova rhythm makes a quiet exit after Mavis lifts off, and the melody descends into aching minor tones, makes another attempt to lift off, and ultimately falls to the lone guitar briefly playing a tender Simon-and-Garfunkelish riff before fading away. Amazing to me how the music finishes the story without lyrics. But then maybe that's just how the song lives in this particular listener. Maybe Mavis beats the odds. I'm rooting for her. Thanks for listening. Lorrie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 00:32:01 -0500 From: Norman Johnson Subject: [RS] cold missouri waters I found a very interesting essay about the Mann Gulch fire and Cold Missouri Waters. http://www.sea-of-flowers.ca/weblog/sea/archives/2004/10/cold_missouri_w.php Norman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 01:57:45 EST From: Bobdog25nj@aol.com Subject: [RS] Richard On The Cover Of Dirty Linen! Feb/Mar Issue hey.... I was in the Borders in the famous Garden State Plaza in Paramus NJ, and who do I see looking back at me ON THE COVER of DIRTY LINEN magazine? why none other than our very own Richard Shindell! A nice pic too - Richard with his eyes closed lost in a moment right in the middle of some song - actually his mouth is mostly closed too - which sounds like a bad picture - but I think it is good. The accompanying article by Patricia Garcia Rios seems pretty good - I haven't read it yet. It is subtitled " The View From The Other America" - as in South America I presume. Four full pages - and some nice additional pics - another of Richard with his guitar - one of Richard and Lucy together singing - one of the band Puente Cleste ( which looks like a publicity photo and does not have Richard in it )- and two more of Richard. The article seems to offer a lot of stuff on Vuelta. Seems pretty good - I will actually read it and get back to you - or you all can find the same issue on the newsstand and steal my thunder. It is not up on the web yet though. I went to _www.dirtylinen.com_ (http://www.dirtylinen.com) - and it still shows the smiling face of David Bromberg - from last month. Guess it will be up soon though. Wow. Dirty Linen! The cover! How proud his family must be. I can hear his Mom yelling to all her neighbors " My son is on the cover of Dirty Linen magazine !" Then again - maybe not. It is a cool magazine but it has the potential to be misunderstood. see ya... bob paterson ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V7 #9 *********************************