From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V6 #296 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Thursday, December 2 2004 Volume 06 : Number 296 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] community again [Lisa Davis - home ] Re: [RS] First days of the century... [Chris Foxwell ] [RS] Translation please? (Resend) ["Thomas J. Huot" ] Re: [RS] Hey Che [Vanessa Wills ] Re: [RS] Translation please? (Resend) [Vanessa Wills ] Re: [RS] Hey Che [Chris Foxwell ] Re: [RS] Hey Che [Jeff Bernstein ] [RS] Last Post of the Day [B Gallagher ] [RS] ,, ["Jason@Stanley.net" ] Re: [RS] Hey Che [Rongrittz@aol.com] [RS] Why can't we all just get a lawn [Tom Neff ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 21:36:07 -0500 From: Lisa Davis - home Subject: [RS] community again How about asking Richard to put his "I Am" back up for download on payment of a royalty to something of his choice (other than, say, the DNC....) - I've got my mp3 ready to upload for that purpose if anyone is interested. (I paid my dues there.) "I am ..... American." The first time I heard it I scoffed and thought it much to prosy and plain to be a Shindell lyric but eventually I was playing it over and over again and feeling, as Richard's songs (depressing as they may be) usually make me feel, strangely uplifted. Lisa Davis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 22:34:39 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Foxwell Subject: Re: [RS] First days of the century... On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Lisa Davis - home wrote: > Guys, I used to be on the Al Stewart list and we should be so lucky as > to have Jason here instead of the vitriol I used to endure there. So > listen to the tone and not the words. Much like the way I have to > listen to Spanish music :) This is totally irrelevant, but at least refreshingly so: cool, I love Al Stewart! The "Eyes of Nostradamus/World Goes to Riyadh" combo on his live album is one of my favorite songs ever. And "Fields of France" is just plain hot. Glad to find another fan! - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 20:32:36 -0700 From: "Thomas J. Huot" Subject: RE: [RS] Re: What the *$&Y#&%? This too ... Will pass. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org] On Behalf Of LBECKLAW@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 2:48 PM To: shindell-list@smoe.org Cc: LBECKLAW@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: What the *$&Y#&%? Hi all, I have been lurking in the shadows for a while, stopping in to read the RS postings only on occasion. I just checked in today to see if there was anything worth reading about Richard's new CD and tour, since I feel a bit out of the loop. I am shocked (shocked!) and saddened by the tone of the postings, at least today. The hostility and antagonism are not even passive-aggressive--they're aggressive-aggressive! Maybe it was in gest, but were people actually bullying one another and threatening smackdowns over politics? Let's not even get into the whole right of free speech vortex... When did the RS List de-evolve to become so NOT about Richard? I'm hopeful that it's just a fleeting moment of bad behavior and that maybe with Moderator Ron on the scene the list will be as engaging and provocative as it used to be--and about Richard Shindell and his music instead of politics and cyber-fist fights. I am prepared for comebacks, however hostile, but feel I had to speak my mind. Like, whoa. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 20:52:02 -0700 From: "Thomas J. Huot" Subject: [RS] Translation please? (Resend) This does not appear to have gone through the first time. I think I sent it from the wrong email address. > Hi Folks, > > Here I live in Santa Fe, NM, probably one of the cities with the highest > number of Spanish speaking people in the country. However, none of my > friends speak or read the language, so I need to turn to you for this. > Does anyone have an English translation of Cancion Sencilla? It is a > beautiful song and I would like to play it but I would like to know > exactly what I am singing. I apologize if this question has been covered > before. > > Thanks, > Tom > > _____________ > Tom Huot > tjhuot@comcast.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 23:23:55 -0500 From: Vanessa Wills Subject: Re: [RS] Hey Che <> OK, I'll bite: what the heck is Group W Bench? :) - --V ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 23:31:39 -0500 From: Vanessa Wills Subject: Re: [RS] Translation please? (Resend) > > Does anyone have an English translation of Cancion Sencilla? Richard has one that he posted on his website: http://www.richardshindell.com/news(alternate).htm It's in the "News" section for date 8/24/04. - --V ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 23:43:58 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Foxwell Subject: Re: [RS] Hey Che On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Vanessa Wills wrote: > < know that reference unless you are Vanessa's age :))>> > > OK, I'll bite: what the heck is Group W Bench? :) > Yeah, me too. Vanessa, I have no idea how old you are, but this 26-year-old hasn't the faintest idea either. - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 23:53:34 -0500 From: Jeff Bernstein Subject: Re: [RS] Hey Che > OK, Ill bite: what the heck is Group W Bench? :) http://www.arlo.net/lyrics/alices.shtml Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 00:00:07 -0500 From: B Gallagher Subject: [RS] Last Post of the Day Wow, What a day for de List. Hats off to Jason for hanging in. Disturbingly, Interesting Op Ed in Newsday by Sol Wachtler. 'Don't Revert to the Days of Dred Scott' Dark Days Indeed. http://www.newsday.com/news/opinion/ny-vpwac014060589dec01,0,4572488.story?c oll=ny-viewpoints-headlines Enough. > "Group W Bench" (you had better > know that reference unless you are Vanessa's age :)) Arlo knows. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 22:47:47 -0600 From: "Jason@Stanley.net" Subject: [RS] ,, Chris wrote, "Agreed re: the politics truce. Jason, it's getting so that you're not even making sense to me. I'm glad that I have an excuse to not respond to your last e-mail, because I can't respond to gibberish. So before you call a truce you get in one last trash talking jab? Nice. "I don't mean that harshly" Not harsh really, just kinda rude. " but rather in a strictly literal sense: I wouldn't know what to say, I can perceive no logic in your words, nothing that I can begin to decipher as an argument with which to disagree." I think you are probably over dramatizing a bit, because I did write in English and plenty of people "Scared...to...death. It's definitely best to leave it alone here and get back to the things that we're here to talk about in the first place." Agreed. My only request is that you guys and women who have responded to this thread try and keep the personal attacks to a minimum and stop with the "Red States have the low IQ's". "Republicans are ignorant". etc. I think it is a cop out and I am trying to do the same with the stereotypes of left wing liberals. I don't think I personally attacked anyone and if I did I apologize. My typing got away from me. If there are any Bush supporters out there, please speak up. It is frustrating being ganged up on by people and everyone who could chime in doesn't. Also to you liberals who think all republicans are idiots. They really aren't. Most are well above avg. IQ, salary, etc. and are anything but dumb. There are plenty of stereotypes for you guys too but again I tried to keep them to a minimum. Hell, I don't even think I would be called a republican because of my views on alot of liberal topics, like some I mentioned before. I went to site called "www.policalcompass.com" and turns out I lean toward Libertarian. Hopefully we can all get along, because regarding deciphering Richard's music, you guys are very interesting to read. Anyway, no hard feelings I hope, and have a good week. Sincerely, Jason ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 00:56:52 EST From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Hey Che >>> OK, I'll bite: what the heck is Group W Bench? :) <<< >> Yeah, me too. Vanessa, I have no idea how old you are, but this 26-year-old hasn't the faintest idea either. << OK, are any of you Fellow Ancient People finding this NEARLY as hysterical as I am? And for the question to be coming mere days after Thanksgiving makes it even funnier. Or sad, depending. RG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 01:07:39 -0500 From: Tom Neff Subject: [RS] Why can't we all just get a lawn An important principle to remember in tough times like these is what students of the law call "qui bono" - meaning literally, "who benefits." It operates 24 7 365, as they say nowadays. - --- When Americans are polarized and barely talking to each other - *somebody* benefits. Who would that be? Is it someone we would want to benefit? When Americans are scared of each other in our public spaces and communities, somebody benefits. Who? When Americans are jaded and blase' and cynical about public service, their government, the media, and basically everything outside of a 30 meter radius, somebody benefits. Who would benefit? Is that a good idea? - --- Without necessarily solving all these questions in detail, I would like to suggest in the most general way that somebody *is* benefitting from this, and that whatever they're getting out of it is something they couldn't hope to get from honest, open, decent public discourse and political action. It's not a matter of party - the parties themselves are being used. It's not a matter of morality - moral people of all kinds are being set against each other. It's something else, and it's something wrong. The only way I know to fight that wrong is to do things that buck the conventional trends. And that, my friends, means taking a Republican to lunch. That means taking a tofu-eating Green enthusiast to lunch (find a good veg place). That means maintaining dialog when voices around you are shouting at you to shut it down. That means thanking a TSA searcher instead of glowering at them. It means embracing your fellow humans, ignoring buttons and logos, getting a little humanity perking under the hood, and letting the magic happen. Now here's why that's a good idea. One of these days this poisonous political climate of ours is going to break, like a summer storm clears out for a perfect sunset. (Yep, Beethoven's 6th.) When it breaks, it's going to look like a mystery on the surface. Commentators will be amazed. But in reality, it'll be the accumulated skittering of millions of individual psyches towards a peaceful common ground that does it. And the catalyst for that skittering will be you and me. We can't make the impossible happen; but if we work together we can move it up, like, a year. Wouldn't that be a good year to live? ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V6 #296 ***********************************