From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V6 #294 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Wednesday, December 1 2004 Volume 06 : Number 294 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Hey Che [B Gallagher ] [RS] an answer - and then back to our regularly scheduled richard-speak [] Re: [RS] time to switch [Vanessa Wills ] [RS] open minds ["TRICIA MULLANE" ] [RS] Have a Holly Jolly Christmas [B Gallagher ] [RS] Re: What the *$&Y#&%? [LBECKLAW@aol.com] [RS] Guys on the Dock [B Gallagher ] Re: [RS] Hey Che [Vanessa Wills ] Re: [RS] Hey Che [Vanessa Wills ] [RS] politics [Patience9@aol.com] Re: [RS] Guys on the Dock [Rongrittz@aol.com] RE: [RS] Have a Holly Jolly Christmas ["Donald Frick" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 15:55:46 -0500 From: B Gallagher Subject: [RS] Hey Che With that having been said . . . does ANYONE know what the guys on the dock at the beginning of "Che Guevara T-Shirt" are saying? RG - --- One of the things I can make out is "!apurate!", hurry-up. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 12:57:32 -0800 (PST) From: Christy Thomas Subject: [RS] an answer - and then back to our regularly scheduled richard-speak Jason asked, "Am I the only one here who is not totally against Bush?" NO...I'm not totally against Bush...though i am TOTALLY against his being president. About Richard's music - now that Mavis is dead (in my mind !!! :) about the island...any ideas about the "orphan branch" language? - now i'm NOT attempting to restart any political discussion...but i've always heard that as a description of Bush-speak...which fits with my political (SORRY!) interpretation of the song. and for a COMPLETELY non-political comment - anyone else hear the "ache" in Richard's voice on Whippoorwill when he sings the word "gate" as in, "i'm just scared to death of walking through that gate"...?... gives me chills - SO perfect! christy wondering when i'll get the pleasure of hearing Richard's voice LIVE again...maybe even here in Texas???? i heard a rumor that maybe sometime in the spring...?... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:00:01 -0500 From: Vanessa Wills Subject: Re: [RS] time to switch RG asked: <> Oh, Ron: why do you do this to me? ::slaps on headphones:: - --V ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 21:06:48 +0000 From: "TRICIA MULLANE" Subject: [RS] open minds Jason wrote: "...and I do have an open mind..." My dad had a saying about that---by the way, Jason, he was a Republican, so feel free to read on--- "you should have an open mind about most things, but not so open that your brain falls out of your head completely." Now if my dad didn't make that up, I wouldn't be surprised. He did author other clever sayings like, "People who wear glass shoes shouldn't step on rocks," but he wasn't always original. I noticed that your wrote additionally, "...if you make a good point about something other than my mispellings." So, you have an open mind about things with which you agree? OK, maybe open up just a tiny bit wider--I promise your brain won't fall out... - ---Tricia ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 16:12:26 -0500 From: B Gallagher Subject: [RS] Have a Holly Jolly Christmas > First off all politics aside, has Richard ever sang a Christmas song > that anyone has heard? I have to sing at the work Christmas party and > would like to sing a Shindell song but all of them are kind of > depressing for Christmas. Any other folk singers is fine if he hasn't. > I like John Gorka also if that helps. Most of my playing is alternate > bass type stuff rather than strumming but any help would be greatly > appreciated. I don't know about any specific Shindell Christmas songs except for. "Silver and Gold", oh wait that was .....? A quiz, who remembers? Seriously, check out Darryl Purpose' excellent Christmas/Holiday album, Gift of the Magi. Lot's of really good songs in the style you'll love. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 16:20:53 -0500 From: Norman Johnson Subject: [RS] Does Richard Know It's Christmas Time > > First off all politics aside, has Richard ever sang a Christmas song that anyone has heard? << Nora. "So, Christmas was as blue for you as it was for me." Okay, it's depressing but it is a Shindell song. Norman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 16:34:47 -0500 From: "scott shindell" Subject: [RS] Guys on the Dock I used to know. Richard gave me a rough translation once. I'll ask him again. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:48:28 EST From: LBECKLAW@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: What the *$&Y#&%? Hi all, I have been lurking in the shadows for a while, stopping in to read the RS postings only on occasion. I just checked in today to see if there was anything worth reading about Richard's new CD and tour, since I feel a bit out of the loop. I am shocked (shocked!) and saddened by the tone of the postings, at least today. The hostility and antagonism are not even passive-aggressive--they're aggressive-aggressive! Maybe it was in gest, but were people actually bullying one another and threatening smackdowns over politics? Let's not even get into the whole right of free speech vortex... When did the RS List de-evolve to become so NOT about Richard? I'm hopeful that it's just a fleeting moment of bad behavior and that maybe with Moderator Ron on the scene the list will be as engaging and provocative as it used to be--and about Richard Shindell and his music instead of politics and cyber-fist fights. I am prepared for comebacks, however hostile, but feel I had to speak my mind. Like, whoa. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 17:08:45 -0500 From: B Gallagher Subject: [RS] Guys on the Dock Guys on the Dock: "Come-on, get this last crate of t-shirts on board." "Americans. Is there really a market for THESE in Miami?" "Hurry up! I'll be late for my yoga class." Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:18:45 -0500 From: Vanessa Wills Subject: Re: [RS] Hey Che Bart said: <> It sounds as though right before that the same voice says "!agite!", an imperative form of "agitar," which means "to shake," or "to cause unrest (as in a society or country)." I'm going to call some Peruvian friends of mine to be sure, but I imagine that urging someone to "!agite!" is probably a lot like telling them to "shake a leg," especially since as Bart noted, the next thing the voice says is "!apurate!". But the pun (hurry up/ protest) is likely intentional. Speculatively yours, V On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 15:55:46 -0500, B Gallagher wrote: > With that having been said . . . does ANYONE know what the guys on the dock > at the beginning of "Che Guevara T-Shirt" are saying? > RG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:18:45 -0500 From: Vanessa Wills Subject: Re: [RS] Hey Che Bart said: <> It sounds as though right before that the same voice says "!agite!", an imperative form of "agitar," which means "to shake," or "to cause unrest (as in a society or country)." I'm going to call some Peruvian friends of mine to be sure, but I imagine that urging someone to "!agite!" is probably a lot like telling them to "shake a leg," especially since as Bart noted, the next thing the voice says is "!apurate!". But the pun (hurry up/ protest) is likely intentional. Speculatively yours, V On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 15:55:46 -0500, B Gallagher wrote: > With that having been said . . . does ANYONE know what the guys on the dock > at the beginning of "Che Guevara T-Shirt" are saying? > RG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:44:31 EST From: Patience9@aol.com Subject: [RS] politics NO Am I the only one here who is not totally against bush? Yes. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 17:46:59 -0500 From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Guys on the Dock Guys on the dock: "Hey, did you see someone with a blanket and a flashlight sneaking into that there container? I'll bet Shindell gets a great song out of THIS one." RG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:31:42 -0700 From: "Donald Frick" Subject: RE: [RS] Have a Holly Jolly Christmas > First off all politics aside, has Richard ever sang a Christmas song > that anyone has heard? I have to sing at the work Christmas party and > would like to sing a Shindell song but all of them are kind of > depressing for Christmas. Any other folk singers is fine if he hasn't. > I like John Gorka also if that helps. Most of my playing is alternate > bass type stuff rather than strumming but any help would be greatly > appreciated. "Before You Go" is on the Wonderland CD put out by Signature Sounds. Though maybe not the best one for singing at the company Christmas party, I think it's a truly wonderful/beautiful song. - -Don ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 19:12:41 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Foxwell Subject: [RS] Orphan branch On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 Rongrittz@aol.com wrote: > With that having been said . . . does ANYONE know what the guys on the > dock at the beginning of "Che Guevara T-Shirt" are saying? You know, it wasn't until my latest listening to the song that I even caught all the background chatter at the beginning of the song. I guess I rarely have enough silence in the background to hear that. (Plus I'm kinda hard of hearing, thanks to God's Own Sinus Infection about two years ago.) Agreed re: the politics truce. Jason, it's getting so that you're not even making sense to me. I'm glad that I have an excuse to not respond to your last e-mail, because I can't respond to gibberish. I don't mean that harshly, but rather in a strictly literal sense: I wouldn't know what to say, I can perceive no logic in your words, nothing that I can begin to decipher as an argument with which to disagree. I'm sure that I must sound the same way to you, and that you must be just as frustrated as I am...which makes me want to reiterate my comment from way way earlier: I am deathly scared of the mindset of 52% of this country, and how such people seem to use a bizarre language and "reasoning" that defies everything that I recognize as being logical and sensible. Scared...to...death. It's definitely best to leave it alone here and get back to the things that we're here to talk about in the first place. Speaking of different languages, and in regards to the subject line: I can offer a pretty clear and simple definition of what Richard means by "orphan branch" in "The Island". Y'all may not remember my analysis of "The Island" that I posted here a while back, so here's a quick reminder: I see nothing at all political or economic about the song. I see it as an elegant and beautiful portrayal of the concepts of vacation and "escape", of "being on holiday", and about how those concepts are relative in nature, shifting according to the course of one's normal life. According to my interpretation, the "orphan branch" that is the island's language is simply the related, yet oddly different, language adopted by those who are undergoing their escape. Terms, definitions, sense of time and place...everything means something slightly different when you're not in the midst of normal life. Concepts like money (and how/why to spend it), sleep (how/when to get it), work, fun...everything means something a little different. (There are tons of readily available examples, no need to get into any here.) In saying that the island's language is an "orphan branch", Richard is describing how concepts like these are related to (a "branch" of), yet oddly detached ("orphaned") from, the language and meanings we use in everyday life. This reinforces the mystique and magical sense of "otherness" that the concept of vacation has for us, serving to distinguish our very thinking patterns and speech from those that we use in "real life." It's a pretty simple analysis, yet also cute and elegant, like my take on the song itself. (In my own humble little opinion, of course.) Plus, of course, there's the obvious literal meaning of the line, about the noticeable differences between the hybrid dialect often found on vacation spots and that which we are used to speaking, etc., etc. (Just thought I'd throw that out there, though there's nothing difficult or interesting about it.) - --Chris ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V6 #294 ***********************************