From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V6 #238 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Wednesday, November 3 2004 Volume 06 : Number 238 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] RE: Waist Deep ["Pam Pickering" ] RE: [RS] RE: Waist Deep ["Kristen Myshrall" ] RE: [RS] RE: Waist Deep [rfoxwell@wso.williams.edu] RE: [RS] RE: Waist Deep ["Kristen Myshrall" ] RE: [RS] RE: Waist Deep ["Joe Lanzalotto" ] RE: [RS] RE: Waist Deep ["ptpowerlists@juno.com" ] [RS] Oh Beautiful Beer [B Gallagher ] Re: [RS] Oh Beautiful Beer ["Sandra J. Smith" Subject: [RS] RE: Waist Deep It's OK, Bob. I feel the same way...I'm amazed that people feel "safer" with W in office. He scares me. I wonder how much room Richard has in Argentina for all of us! Pam in California - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 14:33:02 -0500 From: "Kristen Myshrall" Subject: RE: [RS] RE: Waist Deep I think I'm in a state of shock. I just do not understand...at all. I agree...think Richard would mind if we all camped out on his floor? Actually Canada is looking really good right now. - -Kristen > >It's OK, Bob. I feel the same way...I'm amazed that people feel "safer" >with W in office. He scares me. I wonder how much room Richard has in >Argentina for all of us! > >Pam in California > >------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:09:57 -0500 From: rfoxwell@wso.williams.edu Subject: RE: [RS] RE: Waist Deep Quoting Kristen Myshrall : > I think I'm in a state of shock. I just do not understand...at all. > I agree...think Richard would mind if we all camped out on his floor? > Actually Canada is looking really good right now. > > -Kristen You know what the worst part of this is, for me? The sense of utter alienation and separation I feel from what has now been determined to be the majority of this country's population. I simply do not comprehend the mindset, the *paradigm*, that could possibly believe that George W. Bush is the best person to lead our country. I feel disheartened and demoralized, not just because Bush is the president--although that's enough to give me night terrors--but because I feel increasingly alienated from what is, officially, most of my fellow Americans. It's frightening, don't you agree? That over 50% of Americans view the world so fundamentally differently from us? That over 50% of Americans disbelieve, or are ignorant of, or simply don't care about, what so outrages and terrifies and offends us (and the rest of the world)? That what we see as so obviously horrible and wrong is approved, even *lauded*, by over 50% of our countrymen and -women? I'm just at a loss, like Kristen. I'm not trying to spark a listserv war about who is right and who is wrong. This transcends that argument. I'm speaking simply about the vast gulf between the sensibilities of two sides, completely aside from the correctness of either side. The mind that sees what I see and thinks "yes, that is the America that I want, this is what I believe is good and proper" is so alien to me, so incomprehensive, I just don't know how to process it. That's the most frightening thing about this election, for me. Not that Bush is president--hey, he should be; he won, fair and square (this time), as far as we can tell--but that there are people out there who think so utterly differently from me that they could WANT him to be president...and that those people are the majority of the country. It's hard to wrap my mind around it. - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:50:23 -0500 From: "Kristen Myshrall" Subject: RE: [RS] RE: Waist Deep Chris..I completely agree with you. I think that is the main issue...that I just don't understand why! If anyone on this list voted for Bush and is willing to admit it...i promise I want flame you or anything else...I am very interested in knowing why. I'm just trying to understand and I can't find anyone who voted for him to give me at least 3 reasons why. So if you can, please do. You can do it off list and I promise to keep it between us. Just 3 reasons why. That's all I want. Help me understand this please. - -Kristen _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 15:55:33 -0500 From: "Joe Lanzalotto" Subject: RE: [RS] RE: Waist Deep Despite all the claims to the contrary, I am terrified about the reinstatement of the draft, and the impact of continuing Bush administrations on the environment and education. I have a 22 year old, a 20 year old and two year olds. All boys. I've already told the older two they are moving to Canada if the draft is reinstated. What is really striking, when you look at the election results, is the pattern of the vote - blue on the east and west (with some in the middle along the lakes) and red in the middle. Same as last time. Is it being near water that makes people smarter? Joe - -----Original Message----- From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org] On Behalf Of rfoxwell@wso.williams.edu Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 3:10 PM To: shindell-list@smoe.org Subject: RE: [RS] RE: Waist Deep Quoting Kristen Myshrall : > I think I'm in a state of shock. I just do not understand...at all. > I agree...think Richard would mind if we all camped out on his floor? > Actually Canada is looking really good right now. > > -Kristen You know what the worst part of this is, for me? The sense of utter alienation and separation I feel from what has now been determined to be the majority of this country's population. I simply do not comprehend the mindset, the *paradigm*, that could possibly believe that George W. Bush is the best person to lead our country. I feel disheartened and demoralized, not just because Bush is the president--although that's enough to give me night terrors--but because I feel increasingly alienated from what is, officially, most of my fellow Americans. It's frightening, don't you agree? That over 50% of Americans view the world so fundamentally differently from us? That over 50% of Americans disbelieve, or are ignorant of, or simply don't care about, what so outrages and terrifies and offends us (and the rest of the world)? That what we see as so obviously horrible and wrong is approved, even *lauded*, by over 50% of our countrymen and -women? I'm just at a loss, like Kristen. I'm not trying to spark a listserv war about who is right and who is wrong. This transcends that argument. I'm speaking simply about the vast gulf between the sensibilities of two sides, completely aside from the correctness of either side. The mind that sees what I see and thinks "yes, that is the America that I want, this is what I believe is good and proper" is so alien to me, so incomprehensive, I just don't know how to process it. That's the most frightening thing about this election, for me. Not that Bush is president--hey, he should be; he won, fair and square (this time), as far as we can tell--but that there are people out there who think so utterly differently from me that they could WANT him to be president...and that those people are the majority of the country. It's hard to wrap my mind around it. - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 21:16:28 GMT From: "ptpowerlists@juno.com" Subject: RE: [RS] RE: Waist Deep Chris wrote: >>The mind that sees what I see and thinks "yes, that is the America that I want, this is what I believe is good and proper" is so alien to me, so incomprehensive, I just don't know how to process it.<< I likewise don't want to clutter up the list with political hand-wringing, but I've addressed this issue, the issue of understanding what happened last night, as well as where to go from here at my blog this morning as I, too, tried to find my way out of my despondency. http://voiceofpower.net Pat ________________________________________________________________ Juno Platinum $9.95. Juno SpeedBand $14.95. Sign up for Juno Today at http://www.juno.com! Look for special offers at Best Buy stores. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:25:11 -0500 From: B Gallagher Subject: [RS] Oh Beautiful Beer Beer is Good. "Oh beautiful beer, you never let me down." -- H Simpson. But W don't drink it no mo. How can we trust him? I had one red, white and blue Bud last night with a late dinner and went to bed. I may go to Scotch tonight. "All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is sure." - -- Mark Twain Bart - -------- > Crap. This is gonna take some time to get over. What the hell will George W. > Bush do now that he doesn't even have to worry about being re-elected. > > ( Sorry. But I am upset and I needed to post it someplace where I would be > unlikely to get flamed for it. I am drinking beer even as I type this - trying > to drown my sorrows. ) > > Woe is us. > > Bob Paterson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 15:07:02 -0800 From: "Sandra J. Smith" Subject: Re: [RS] Oh Beautiful Beer I think it was Benjamin Franklin who said: "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." >Beer is Good. > >"Oh beautiful beer, you never let me down." > -- H Simpson. > >But W don't drink it no mo. How can we trust him? > >I had one red, white and blue Bud last night with a late dinner and went to >bed. I may go to Scotch tonight. > >"All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, >and then success is sure." >-- Mark Twain > >Bart >-------- > >> Crap. This is gonna take some time to get over. What the hell will >>George W. >> Bush do now that he doesn't even have to worry about being re-elected. >> >> ( Sorry. But I am upset and I needed to post it someplace where I would be >> unlikely to get flamed for it. I am drinking beer even as I type >>this - trying > > to drown my sorrows. ) > > > > Woe is us. > > > > Bob Paterson ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V6 #238 ***********************************