From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V6 #221 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Tuesday, October 19 2004 Volume 06 : Number 221 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Fridays show in Montclaire ["jeffv" ] Re: [RS] Richard and Lucy in Boston [rfoxwell@wso.williams.edu] [none] ["Martha K." ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 07:46:32 -0400 From: "jeffv" Subject: [RS] Fridays show in Montclaire Please contact me if anyone on the list has an extra ticket or two for Friday night's show at the Outpost. As mentioned, it is sold out. Our plans changed (were supposed to be at Penn State for the Iowa game - long story) but now are hoping to get to this show. email is jeffv@warwick.net. Hope to hear from you - we could meet in Montclaire (heck, I could wait in line for you and hold a spot up front) and pay for them there. Thanks! Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:14:21 -0400 From: rfoxwell@wso.williams.edu Subject: Re: [RS] Richard and Lucy in Boston >> I maintain my position that the song makes more sense and has more power >> if the couple from the first part of the song is the same as the couple in >> the second part of the song. But Richard's opinion does kinda count for >> something - and he says they are different couples, right? > Yeah, and the more I think about it, the more I tend to agree with him. I > think having the two couples be the same is a little too neat, too storybook, > and very unlike the Richard we've come to know. > > I think it works equally well as a story of tragedy and rebirth, even if > they're different couples. I've been thinking off and on about this while listening to Vuelta over the last few weeks, trying to evade my automatic reaction of "what??? they're not the same couple? that's absurd!". I've been trying to mull over the alternative and see how it feels. I'm really not having much success. I just don't agree that it works "equally well" both ways; I think it does indeed work with them being different couples, but not quite as well. Not for me, at least (and I'm only describing my take, not making a case for how it "should" be heard). For me, a fair amount--I won't say "a lot", but a fair amount--of the simple symbolic power vanishes if the second couple is different. I don't think that simply storybook tidiness is an evil, or is necessarily anti-Richard. Sometimes plain and simple does the trick. Further, I feel that the lyrics support the same couple "theory" more strongly than they support the alternative. (As one example, that semi-breathless "and there they are, outside Saint Luke's" carries a strong sense of recognition and familiarity...again, to my ears.) Anyway. To validate my altering of the subject line, is anyone planning to attend the show in Somerville (Boston) this Saturday? I'd love to meet up and exchange hellos and whatnot over coffee/dinner/whatever. - --Chris, who is slowly being killed by the Red Sox's inexplicable transformation into a completely different team. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:42:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Martha K." Subject: [none] one ticket available to see richard at imac in huntington, ny on october 30th at 9pm. any takers? contact marthak316@yahoo.com vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V6 #221 ***********************************