From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V6 #207 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Wednesday, September 29 2004 Volume 06 : Number 207 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V6 #206 ["randolph33@juno.com" Subject: [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V6 #206 "Next song is a cowrite with John Donne. Written from point of view of Pretty Peggy-o. Sings a verse of "Pretty Peggy-o." It's a "thinly veiled indictment of semi-elected public officials..." 2) Fenario" [...and ditto 'Waist Deep'] I've been trying to express this connection re: the first two songs on Vuelta--my work is done, and from the horse's mouth. Unless I'ver missed a post, there aren't too many of us old folkies/fogeys who remember the popularity of the old ballad "Fenario" [a mythical place where love and war mix like oil and water?] with the '60's folkies. Joan Baez and Judy Collins recorded it beautifully, and Dylan sent it up on his first album. "As we [a troop of soldiers] marched down to Fenario/Our captain fell in love/With a lady like a dove" (Pretty Peggy-O). But it doesn't work out, and somewhat mysteriously "Our captain he is dead, Pretty Peggy-O." That resonated with the dead captain of "Waist Deep" (is it obvious that the sergeant kills him?). The damned fools/semi-elected officials are condemned in "Che Guevara" and many other of Richard's songs. And then "The Island." I'm having trouble taking this one straight, and would appreciate those who like it discussing it a bit more--thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 11:05:34 -0400 From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: [RS] Waist Deep. >> That resonated with the dead captain of "Waist Deep" (is it obvious that the sergeant kills him?). << I think that would be at odds with the whole theme of the song, that the captain drowned because he was a big fool and didn't realize how deep the water was . . . not because his sergeant staged a coup. Unless I'm mis-reading what you're implying . . . RG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 16:39:30 -0700 (PDT) From: adam plunkett Subject: Re: [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V6 #206 Ralph, Thank you for the insights....you have helped put together "Fenario" better than I was able to before your post. I like "The Island" and my thoughts on it: I know there was orginally a longer version of this song but I do not have that version's lyrics at hand. I believe it is, like many other songs, about the trials and tribulations of an immigrant living in a land of tourists traps and the beach. The narrator states that the lucky few that lives there are confident and prosperous....then the closing verse mentioning how time is on the ocean's side and that everyday another house just slides away.... So after all that rambling, I believe this song is about the cost of those unfortanate ones that suffer through life in an area where tourists and the rich spend money while they get stuck on the edges without money or the sense of the paradise everyone else sees.....or I could be reading too much into it...but this song reminds me so much of my hometown on the "gold coast" of Connecticut. But, on second thought, the chorus is about coming in a package deal....maybe it is the journey of an immigrant to a new place where he/she was offered the "package deal". Or maybe I have no clue. :) Adam "randolph33@juno.com" wrote: "Next song is a cowrite with John Donne. Written from point of view of Pretty Peggy-o. Sings a verse of "Pretty Peggy-o." It's a "thinly veiled indictment of semi-elected public officials..." 2) Fenario" [...and ditto 'Waist Deep'] I've been trying to express this connection re: the first two songs on Vuelta--my work is done, and from the horse's mouth. Unless I'ver missed a post, there aren't too many of us old folkies/fogeys who remember the popularity of the old ballad "Fenario" [a mythical place where love and war mix like oil and water?] with the '60's folkies. Joan Baez and Judy Collins recorded it beautifully, and Dylan sent it up on his first album. "As we [a troop of soldiers] marched down to Fenario/Our captain fell in love/With a lady like a dove" (Pretty Peggy-O). But it doesn't work out, and somewhat mysteriously "Our captain he is dead, Pretty Peggy-O." That resonated with the dead captain of "Waist Deep" (is it obvious that the sergeant kills him?). The damned fools/semi-elected officials are condemned in "Che Guevara" and many other of Richard's songs. And then "The Island." I'm having trouble taking this one straight, and would appreciate those who like it discussing it a bit more--thanks! New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V6 #207 ***********************************