From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V6 #193 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Friday, September 10 2004 Volume 06 : Number 193 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [RS] whippoorwill & references [rfoxwell@wso.williams.edu] Re: [RS] whippoorwill ["kunigunda" ] Re: [RS] whippoorwill ["Sandra J. Smith" ] Re: [RS] whippoorwill & references [Rongrittz@aol.com] Re: [RS] whippoorwill & references [rfoxwell@wso.williams.edu] [RS] Re: Whippoorwills ["greg z" ] [RS] CD booklet [Chris Foxwell ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 15:01:07 -0400 From: rfoxwell@wso.williams.edu Subject: Re: [RS] whippoorwill & references Quoting OzWoman321@aol.com: > This may have been posted before, but the following lyrics from Dave Carter's > > Hey Conductor mention the whippoorwill - Dave said he wrote the song after he > > had no transportation to the Kerrville Folk Festival one year... so the idea > > came to him to just stand on the side of the railway tracks and ask each > passing train, "hey conductor, does this train go to Texas?"... :-) > > whistle whine when the brakeman pull it > see her flyin' like a silver bullet > past the houses through the sleepy hills > blackjack oak and red dust risin' > scarlet sun on the blue horizon > hear the lonesome call of the whipoorwhill That was my assumption about Richard's use of "whippoorwill" too. The yodelling of the mountaineer is also a reference to a Dave Carter song, "Farewell to St. Dolores", which features a lovely, mournful yodel by Dave in the refrain. (Also--and this may be a stretch--I suspect that the mountaineer himself might be a reference to Dave's song "The Mountain", featuring such lyrics as: 'I was born in a forked-tongued story raised up by merchants and drugstore liars now I walk on the paths of glory one foot in ice, one in fire I see the mountain, the mountain comes to me I see the mountain and that is all I see' ) - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:16:48 -0500 From: "kunigunda" Subject: Re: [RS] whippoorwill Ha! Well, I guess then neither would the brown headed cowbird, tufted titmouse, or blue footed booby. > >> Artistic license? << > > Maybe. Also, "Yellow Bellied Sapsucker" wouldn't have fit as nicely in the lyrics. > > RG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:46:45 -0700 From: "Sandra J. Smith" Subject: Re: [RS] whippoorwill Nor would the bananaquit. But seriously, I think the blue-footed booby deserves its own ballad. Sandy At 2:16 PM -0500 9/9/04, kunigunda wrote: >Ha! Well, I guess then neither would the brown headed cowbird, tufted >titmouse, or blue footed booby. > > > > >> >> Artistic license? << > > > > Maybe. Also, "Yellow Bellied Sapsucker" wouldn't have fit as nicely in >the lyrics. > > > > RG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 16:15:56 -0400 From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] whippoorwill & references >> Also--and this may be a stretch--I suspect that the mountaineer himself might be a reference to Dave's song "The Mountain" << Not a stretch at all. From what I understand, it's pretty intentional. RG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 16:24:29 -0400 From: rfoxwell@wso.williams.edu Subject: Re: [RS] whippoorwill & references Quoting Rongrittz@aol.com: > >> Also--and this may be a stretch--I suspect that the mountaineer himself > might be a reference to Dave's song "The Mountain" << > > Not a stretch at all. From what I understand, it's pretty intentional. Sweet! I was half-afraid that I was peering too deeply into it. It's easy to start inventing references to explain obscure things, especially when songs lend themselves so well to scrutiny, as do Richard's. Then again, I figured "why a mountaineer?"...and "The Mountain" is such a beautiful trademark song... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 19:01:35 -0500 From: "greg z" Subject: [RS] Re: Whippoorwills <> Ah, this would explain Hank Williams' "I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry" taking place at night: Hear that lonesome whippoorwill He sounds too blue to fly That midnight train is whining low I'm so lonesome I could cry The silence of a falling star Lights up a purple sky etc... Greg Z "I'll put this cloud behind me, that's how the Man designed me I'm no stranger to the rain"... Keith Whitley - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 00:47:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Foxwell Subject: [RS] CD booklet On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, ptpowerlists@juno.com wrote: > Ok, folks... I THOUGHT we went over this once! Apparently, however, the > folks at Richard Shindell Central weren't paying attention. Gotta say, though, that the most wince-inducing spelling gaffe in the cd booklet comes from the lyrics to Mavis. Third stanza, first line: "The mote around the castle..." D'oh!!! That is most unfortunate. I'm a notorious spelling/grammar nerd, sure, but I'll bet this stands out to even the casual reader. "Moat" isn't exactly an everyday word, but I'd wager that it's a tad more familiar than the exact spelling of "whippoorwill". Also, in the lyrics to "Last Fare", the lyrics inexplicably give "I turned off the radio / She said 'thanks, I could not bear another word' " instead of "she whispered 'thanks'...". Back to "Mavis" for a quick parting word: does anyone else wish that Richard had retained the original lyric that went "And then comes the big one, swamping the castle" instead of changing it to "And then comes the wave, swamping the castle"? The extra syllable helped the line to flow, in my opinion, but more importantly I liked how the wave was referred to as "the big one", the monster wave, the one that makes all the kids scatter in gleeful terror. I wonder why this was changed. I somehow doubt that Richard felt that it was necessary to identify the wave explicitly; it was already pretty clear that "the big one" was a wave, it seems to me. Ah well. Nitpicking is fun! - --Chris ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V6 #193 ***********************************