From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V6 #186 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Sunday, September 5 2004 Volume 06 : Number 186 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [RS] Last Fare & Gray/Green [Joe ] Re: [RS] Gray/Green [Chris Foxwell ] [RS] More lyrics to "The Island." [Rongrittz@aol.com] RE: [RS] Weather Report ["Tina Wheeler" ] [RS] Re: Father Brown ["ptpowerlists@juno.com" ] RE: [RS] Weather Report ["ptpowerlists@juno.com" ] RE: [RS] Flying away [Chris Foxwell ] [RS] Che ["ptpowerlists@juno.com" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 19:18:49 -0400 From: Joe Subject: Re: [RS] Last Fare & Gray/Green Great call! I heard that sound and couldn't place it, that's exactly what it sounds like. I love that song. At the moment my two favorite's are Big Muddy and Whipporwill. Thanks to everyone, Joe. At 13:39 09/04/2004, you wrote: >....I like the song "Gray/Green" but there is something in >it that is distracting. I'm showing my age here but >does anyone remember the tall 16 oz Pepsi-Cola >bottles? It sounds like someone is blowing into one >during that song! I like that song, it sounds like a >lullaby, which I guess it is. Great album! I can't >seem to stop listening to it. >Janet > > > >_______________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? I do, I do! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 19:55:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Foxwell Subject: Re: [RS] Gray/Green On Sat, 4 Sep 2004, Janet Cinelli wrote: > I like the song "Gray/Green" but there is something in > it that is distracting. I'm showing my age here but > does anyone remember the tall 16 oz Pepsi-Cola > bottles? It sounds like someone is blowing into one > during that song! Heh...to me, it actually sounds like someone blowing into plastic bottles of water. Some years ago, a symphony I was in performed a modern piece that required us to tune bottles of water and blow into them as instruments, and that immediately came into my head when listening to Gray Green. I found the effect in the song to be very soothing, lullabye-like, as Janet said. It also vaguely reminds me of the cry of the mourning dove, which has always been my favorite birdcall since childhood. - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 20:26:16 EDT From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: [RS] More lyrics to "The Island." Also, speaking of lyrics that people haven't seen, here's an older, longer version of "The Island" that helps expand on the story . . . RG THE ISLAND Island life does have its charms The constant sun, the steady breeze Though nothing ever happens here Few are those who do not fall beneath the spell Its language is an orphan branch But one that I can understand Its cadence is familiar And it shares the old declension from the continent By latitude and longitude Mariners will not arrive Its coordinates are plotted by The relative position to the rising sea The lucky few who call it home Are prosperous and confident They manifest a certainty That come what may, things will not be otherwise CHORUS I came here with a package deal Everything all pre-arranged Three nights at the Grand Hotel Where all the rooms have ocean views So I set out on a guided tour We gathered 'round the little flag And the logo of the agency Led to the notable and the picturesque But weary of the megaphone I lingered in the old stone church As the crowd continued up the hill Onward to the wonders of the customs house CHORUS But time is on the ocean's side The beaches shift, the cliffs erode Though the engineers do what they can Every day another house just slides away For islanders thus compromised Island law is very clear All rights derive from property Those with none are sent out to the open sea CHORUS Now on my own as evening fell I walked an empty avenue Until the sidewalks and the cobblestones Crumbled into nothing down at water's edge And standing on a jagged bluff Like fireflies their lights appear Flickering beyond the reef The lanterns of the disposessed on ocean's swells CHORUS ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 20:40:01 -0400 From: "Tina Wheeler" Subject: RE: [RS] Weather Report Funny that The Weather and Whippoorwill should come up in the same post. I've been meaning to mention this since the first time I heard Richard perform this live, about a year ago (Whippoorwill, not the Weather -- I, like, Gene and Isabel are still waiting for that day, but not very expectantly.) Anyway, the first time I heard Richard play it he introduced it as a new song inspired by Dave Carter's passing, and said that he wasn't quite happy with it yet, but he wasn't sure why. When he played it (a little bit faster tempo than he's playing it these days, if I remember correctly) I commented to a friend that something about it reminded me of the Weather. The melody, something about the lyric flow, especially toward the end of the chorus, I don't know. But someday soon you'll go back out And face the changing the weather Truth is I'm just scared to death Of walking through that gate I remember thinking, he'd better not change it much because I like that it sounded similar. (For some reason, he hasn't been checking with me before making changes to his songs. Hmmm.) Anyway, it still sounds similar to my ears, and it's one of my favorite songs on the CD. But I really wish he'd kept the Fr. Brown verse. I also see Isabel's point about the instrumentation in some cases, though I mostly like it. Although not my favorite song, I really was getting to like the plain, simple Mavis sung at shows. It hit me more powerfully. For some reason the tweety sounds after "fly-away..." just don't do it for me. Doesn't leave enough to the imagination or something. I like the rest of the instrumentation in the song, just that one petty complaint. Tina ==================== Isabel Frey writes: Since I got jumped on for mentioning the weather on a number of occassions (speaking of weather - Susan, we're thinking of you in Florida. Let us all know how you make out).... It really bothers me that he left the "Father Brown" verse out of Whipporwill. That verse made such an important statement in the song and without it, the song falls a little flat. I love Fenario and Big Muddy (the reverb toward the end is a bit much though). Hazel's House, Grey Green, and Mavis fall into the same category as My Love Will Follow You and Blue Divide. I like them (I pretty much like everything Richard does) but I'm not pulling out the cd just to listen to those songs, and I don't miss them if he doesn't play them at shows. And if Richard didn't play The Weather in the pouring rain at Falcon Ridge, I don't think he every will! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 03:38:05 GMT From: "ptpowerlists@juno.com" Subject: [RS] Re: Father Brown >>The change could happen any day Or so says Father Brown I listen for that still small voice But I just can't make it out Beneath the constant whispering Of the devil that I know Who would I be if I believed Who am I if I don't<< For the, um, record, I will state that I prefer "snickering" to "whispering"... But then, what do *I* know... Richard also chose "Gray Green" over "Grey Green"! Pat ________________________________________________________________ Get your name as your email address. Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 03:40:16 GMT From: "ptpowerlists@juno.com" Subject: RE: [RS] Weather Report Tina wrote: >>Susan, we're thinking of you in Florida. Let us all know how you make out<< REALLY, Tina... don't you think that's just a bit personal! Pat ________________________________________________________________ Get your name as your email address. Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 01:07:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Foxwell Subject: RE: [RS] Flying away On Sat, 4 Sep 2004, Tina Wheeler wrote: > For some reason the tweety sounds after "fly-away..." just > don't do it for me. Doesn't leave enough to the imagination or > something. I like the rest of the instrumentation in the song, just that > one petty complaint. Tina, I feel the same way. The more I hear the song, the more I am growing to love the quirky, smooth instrumentation, but that little interlude after "fly away" kind of sticks out. I enjoyed the live version, where Richard repeated "fly away" higher in the register, let his voice kind of fade away, and then let his guitar do the rest of the talking. Having said that, though, I do think that I'm beginning to appreciate the new take on that part of the song. When I hear it, the way the beat drops away and the instruments kind of meander off and soar away...I really do think of a bird taking off from the ground, watching the ground drop away and the landscape change from one of land and buildings and trees to one of clouds and wind and freedom. It really does make me feel like a bird, flying away. Then the beat phases back in, and you discover that Mavis is in fact still perched on the driftwood flagpole...it's kind of neat. By the way, I think Mavis is a leading candidate for Richard's "smoothest" song. - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 05:53:50 GMT From: "ptpowerlists@juno.com" Subject: [RS] Che I came across this at UTNE... Che's Image Takes a Twist The commercialization of an icon By Doug Grow, Minneapolis StarTribune September 2, 2004 Issue The famous monochromatic image of Che Guevara, Fidel Castro's comrade in the Cuban revolution, has been a symbol of the radical left for decades. Its crossover from icon of socialism to the realm of pop-culture commodity appears to be in its final phase: an Atlanta company that may be using Honduran sweatshop labor to produce "Che" t-shirts is threatening legal action against a Minneapolis company that has sold its own "Che" products for two decades. more (with additional related links) at: http://www.newsisfree.com/iclick/i,50063285,10055,f/ Pat ________________________________________________________________ Get your name as your email address. Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today! ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V6 #186 ***********************************