From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V6 #137 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Tuesday, July 13 2004 Volume 06 : Number 137 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] linguini, er, linguistics [Jim Colbert ] Re: [RS] Early impressions... [Rongrittz@aol.com] Re: [RS] The new cd [adam plunkett ] [RS] coming to a town near you [Patience9@aol.com] Re: [RS] "Summer Wind" live vs. studio [rfoxwell@wso.williams.edu] [RS] Live vs. Studio. [Rongrittz@aol.com] Re: [RS] Live vs. Studio. [adam plunkett ] Re: Re: [RS] "Summer Wind" live vs. studio [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:33:37 -0400 From: Jim Colbert Subject: [RS] linguini, er, linguistics > VWELL-tah. Since the word appears alone, and not embedded in a > sentence, > the "v" is actually pronounced as though closer to a "b" than a "v," > although no one will have an attack if you don't get it quite right. At > any rate, the "v" should be pronounced somewhat more softly than the > English "v." > Ah, a voice seldom heard from! Thanks for the clarification- and I'll be looking forward to hearing variations on the pronunciation. - -jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:56:12 -0400 From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Early impressions... My general feeling is usually that the way I hear a song FIRST is the definitive version . . . the one to which all others usually compare unfavorably. And I've heard most of these songs live many many times already, and it's those versions that are stuck in my head. The clips I've heard so far are somewhat blander, less intense, maybe sweeter, and not nearly as emotional. There can be exceptions. There are songs I've heard FIRST on a CD, and which still can't hold a candle to their live versions ("Fishing" and "Arrowhead" come to mind). Me, I'm reserving final judgment until I'm able to actually sit and spend some serious time with the CD. RG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:05:40 -0700 (PDT) From: adam plunkett Subject: Re: [RS] The new cd Thinking about it, there is one song better on album than live - Summer Wind, Cotton Dress. I think the stusio version of this is great and,a s good as it live, it's not the same...the instrumentation is perfect for that song on "Blue Divide".' But besides that I always rather live to studio..but with that said, Richard is far better than many of his other singer-songwriter counterparts in recording good studio albums. He captures his somgs pretty well on album which may be due to him using very good muscians. I cannot wait to hear the album. :) Some will probably disagree...but I look forward to this album as Richard's guiitar seemed to be at the forefront and that is a style I always prefer. Adam - --- kunigunda wrote: > Thanks Adam/Chris for your comments. What you said > about live performance > vs studio makes sense. I also got a rather late RS > start, circa Cry Cry > Cry, and although I have now acquired all the > earlier albums, I listen to > Courier the most. I guess that will be the closest > I'm gonna ever come to a > live performance...unless I can make it to Chi or > Phl this fall. > Carrie in KC > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:44:23 EDT From: Patience9@aol.com Subject: [RS] coming to a town near you or CT where he usually comes twice a year and there have been no concerts this year > I wonder when the Kansas/Missouri gig will be scheduled? ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:57:47 -0400 From: rfoxwell@wso.williams.edu Subject: Re: [RS] "Summer Wind" live vs. studio Quoting adam plunkett : > Thinking about it, there is one song better on album > than live - Summer Wind, Cotton Dress. I think the > stusio version of this is great and,a s good as it > live, it's not the same...the instrumentation is > perfect for that song on "Blue Divide".' I was just discussing this the other day. Being a single male in my mid-twenties, the creation of mix cds for women naturally occupies a large part of my time, and I always struggle over whether to use the studio version of Summer Wind or the live version. I have to disagree, I don't think that the studio version is *better*...I just think that it is very different, leaving the listener with a completely different impression of the mood conveyed. The studio version is soaring and uplifting, the full musical accompaniment lending a satisfied and positive feeling to the song; it is a celebration of a treasured encounter. The live version is much more hushed and reflective, and strikes me as a more aching and wistful recollection of the encounter. Compare the way Richard ends certain half-phrases on the studio version to how he ends them on the live version: on the studio recording, his voice lifts and strengthens so that the ending word of those half-phrases is higher than the rest of the phrase ("...The night we up on that bridge / You knew what I know now", etc.), whereas on the live version he keeps the same note and actually backs off the word a little, making for a more tentative and less certain "punch". Anyway, yeah, I think both versions are very powerful and moving, just in very different ways. (And, of course, this is a testimony to Richard's talent, that he can create two completely opposing moods with the exact same song.) Naturally, I wind up using the live version much more frequently on the aforementioned mixes. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:16:52 -0400 From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: [RS] Live vs. Studio. Interesting stuff, and it gets me to thinking: of the 13 RS songs on "Courier" (not including the two covers), which version do you prefer, live or studio? I know "Reunion Hill" and "Arrowhead" and "Fishing" all kick ass vs. their studio versions, but I gotta think about this a bit . . . anyone got thoughts? 1. Courier 2. Memory of You 3. Next Best Western 4. Kenworth of my Dreams 5. Nora 6. Arrowhead 7. Reunion Hill 8. Fishing 9. Summer Wind, A Cotton Dress 10. On a Sea of Fleur de Lis 11. Ballad of Mary Magdalen 12. Are You Happy Now? 13. Transit ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:34:50 -0700 (PDT) From: adam plunkett Subject: Re: [RS] Live vs. Studio. > 1. Courier Live is better...though the version from the Fast Folk compilation(also live) is the best. > 2. Memory of You Draw...not a huge fan of either > 3. Next Best Western Courier version > 4. Kenworth of my Dreams Courier version > 5. Nora Courier version > 6. Arrowhead Courier version but a close call > 7. Reunion Hill Courier version but also a close call > 8. Fishing Blue Divide version though both are great > 9. Summer Wind, A Cotton Dress Blue Divide version > 10. On a Sea of Fleur de Lis Draw, both very good and similar > 11. Ballad of Mary Magdalen Courier version > 12. Are You Happy Now? Sparrow's Point version..I like Irish influence > 13. Transit Courier version I also believe that, on the live EP, "Confession", "You Stay Here", and "Abuelita" are better on the EP while "Wisteria"'s stufio version wins in a close call. That was more fun than I imagined. :) Now...if Richard releases a solo live album I'd be in seneth heaven(knowing this will never happen). Adam __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:56:10 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Re: [RS] "Summer Wind" live vs. studio Considering the fact that Richard has not played Summer Wind at a number of the shows that I have attended, I am always glad to hear the opening chords which means that I am getting my wish for one of my favorite songs. The "surprise" makes it difficult for me to appreciate the stuido version over the live version(s). I think you can't lose either way, but I prefer it live. Joe > > From: rfoxwell@wso.williams.edu > Date: 2004/07/13 Tue AM 11:57:47 CDT > To: shindell-list@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [RS] "Summer Wind" live vs. studio > > Quoting adam plunkett : > > > Thinking about it, there is one song better on album > > than live - Summer Wind, Cotton Dress. I think the > > stusio version of this is great and,a s good as it > > live, it's not the same...the instrumentation is > > perfect for that song on "Blue Divide".' > > I was just discussing this the other day. Being a single male in my > mid-twenties, the creation of mix cds for women naturally occupies a large part > of my time, and I always struggle over whether to use the studio version of > Summer Wind or the live version. I have to disagree, I don't think that the > studio version is *better*...I just think that it is very different, leaving > the listener with a completely different impression of the mood conveyed. The > studio version is soaring and uplifting, the full musical accompaniment lending > a satisfied and positive feeling to the song; it is a celebration of a > treasured encounter. The live version is much more hushed and reflective, and > strikes me as a more aching and wistful recollection of the encounter. Compare > the way Richard ends certain half-phrases on the studio version to how he ends > them on the live version: on the studio recording, his voice lifts and > strengthens so that the ending word of those half-phrases is higher than the > rest of the phrase ("...The night we up on that bridge / You knew > what I know now", etc.), whereas on the live version he keeps the same note and > actually backs off the word a little, making for a more tentative and less > certain "punch". > > Anyway, yeah, I think both versions are very powerful and moving, just in very > different ways. (And, of course, this is a testimony to Richard's talent, that > he can create two completely opposing moods with the exact same song.) > Naturally, I wind up using the live version much more frequently on the > aforementioned mixes. :-) ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V6 #137 ***********************************