From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V5 #267 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Friday, November 28 2003 Volume 05 : Number 267 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Re: chautauqua ["kunigunda" ] [RS] Chautauquas ["McGuire, John" ] [RS] Chautauque [SHOE4347@aol.com] [RS] Chautauqua [Pfleary@aol.com] [RS] Website and New Album [brendan foley ] [RS] Re:Chautauqua [Jean Katherine Rossner ] [RS] Re: Website and New Album [Rongrittz@aol.com] Re: [RS] Chautauquas ["Sandra J. Smith" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 07:04:21 -0600 From: "kunigunda" Subject: [RS] Re: chautauqua Did a google search - CHAUTAUQUA, contraction of a Seneca Indian word meaning "where the fish was taken out". ... Chautauqua (1873), meaning an institution that combines education with entertainment, can be traced to New York's Indian-named Chautauqua Lake, on which the great Chautauqua Institution was founded. Carrie in KC > Gerry wrote: > < it may have been the neme of a Native American tribe....>> > > Gerry, > From vacation drives through New York state I can tell you that there is a Chatauqua Lake and Chatauqua County around Jamestown, NY. They are just east of Lake Erie, and Erie, Pennsylvania, in far western NY state. They very well may be named after a tribe, which is common especially it seems in that area. We usually stop for gas and a stretch in Seneca, named after the Seneca tribe. Signs there welcome you to "Seneca Nation." My kids enjoy that stop because of the Native Americans and all the regalia. > Greg Z ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:52:38 -0600 From: "McGuire, John" Subject: [RS] Chautauquas Hello-- new to this list, and probably semi-new to Shindell's music, by comparison to some... But I wanted to share some info on this! The word "Chautauqua" is Iroquois, and means "jumping fish", although I have heard that it also means "two moccasins" as well- many Indian words seem to have duality like that! And there is also the lake in NY state, no doubt adopted from the Iroquois word- perhaps there were fish leaping all abouts. In the late 1800's, there was an "revivalist-style" educational movement, initiated by a group of Methodists I believe, altho the Chautauqua Movement displayed no religious underpinings. There were establiched "Chautauquas" that had actual buildings, and hosted classes and lectures, and could probably be compared to today's community colleges. Then there were the "travelling chautauquas", which were mobile, tent-based, travelling versions, and were very popular in the West, where there were not a lot of institutions of higher learning in rural areas. In addition to lectures and educational things, the travelling versions also had entertainment, along the lines of Vaudeville acts and such. One thing that is important to mention about both styles of Chautauquas is that they were open to both any men AND women, which at the time, was unheard of-- women were still unable to vote, and society more or less prohibited women outside of the upper class to attend colleges or to further themselves academically or professionally. With the increasing popularity of "moving pictures", radio, and the increasing prevalance of the car, these travelling chautauquas, as well as their more permanent 'college style' brethren, were in decline by the 1920s, and the Great Depression pretty much finished them all off for good. On a related note, Peter Mulvey, Jeff Foucault, and Kris Delmhorst toured the UK earlier this year, and called their tour "The Chautauqua Tour", which was based on this same principals, but without the tent. Peter Mulvey is from Milwaukee, WI, but came up through the Boston music scene, where he met Kris Delmhorst. Jeff Foucault is from Ft. Atkinson, WI, about 60 miles from Milwaukee, and I wont bore you on how Peter and Jeff met and became friends. This past August, they all ended up in Ft. Atkinson, and Peter was headlining shows at the small, intimate Cafi Carpe. They decided that they were finally going to record the record that they had been talking about, and with a $10,000 microphone borrowed from a studio, they recorded it themselves, in a living room, with all of them sitting around the microphone-- which may account for the "campfire circle" feel to it. I have a whole bunch of 'master' live recordings of Mulvey and Foucault, (and plenty of other artists too!!!) if anyone would be interested-- I have only 1-2 Shindell recordings that I have traded for.... (hint hint) We now return you to your regularly scheduled Shindell List, already in progress! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:10:00 EST From: SHOE4347@aol.com Subject: [RS] Chautauque http://www.chautauqua-inst.org/about.html Here is the link to Chautauqua Institute upstate New York thanks to google. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:17:26 EST From: Pfleary@aol.com Subject: [RS] Chautauqua Merriam Webster cites Chautauqua Lake and the year 1873 in its etymology of this word and gives this definition: >>>an institution that flourished in the late 19th and 20th centuries providing popular education combined with entertainment in the form of lectures, concerts and plays often presented outdoors or in a tent. Although the word may originally come from a Native American language, my dictionary does not cite it. I am pretty sure, but not 100% certain, that there is not, nor has there been a Chautauqua "tribe." My take on Chautauquas, or the Chautauqua movement if you will, is that it was the pre-mass media popular entertainment of its time. I bet there is someone on this list who has done and undergrad paper, or maybe even a thesis or dissertation on this topic who could enlighten us further. Or maybe even come up with a few Chautauqua performers who could be cast in a dramatization of a Richard Shindell song. ;-) Peter ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 11:26:23 -0800 (PST) From: brendan foley Subject: [RS] Website and New Album Hey folks, I'm Brendan. I am a huge Richard fan (aren't we all), and used to be a member on the list, but got knocked off somehow. Anyway, I was perusing the archives, and have two questions/concerns. First, what's the word on a new record? Some postings in the archives hinted at the possibility of one in the works. I keep an eye on the website, but no word there. Which brings me to my second concern, the website. I read some discussion in the archives about the website regarding improvements, but there still has not been a single update since December last year. If the powers that be or other interested parties want to see a musicians website that is kept up to date and interesting; I highly recommend www.jethrotull.com. If your a Tull fan, and want to know what's going on with the band and individual members, it is the first place to go. Just an FYI. It's good to be back. I hope to hear something back. Brendan. PS I live in Houston Tx, and am getting married in two weeks. When my bride and I walk down the aisle as man and wife. The music that is going to be playing will be "The Weather" by RS. Pretty appropriate don't you think? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:45:15 -0500 From: Jean Katherine Rossner Subject: [RS] Re:Chautauqua At the turn of the century, there were lectures on various topics, open to the public. I believe these were given in Chautauqua, NY; at any rate, they became known as "Chautauqua talks" or just "Chautauquas". (And IIRC there's a current series of public radio broadcasts named after them.) Ye knowe ek, that in forme of speche is chaunge Withinne a thousand yere, and wordes tho That hadden pris, now wonder nyce and straunge Us thinketh hem, and yit they spake hem so. - Chaucer, "Troilus and Criseyde" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 16:14:36 EST From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: Website and New Album >> First, what's the word on a new record? << Richard's been recording with a wonderful group of musicians in Argentina. Last we heard, there should be a new CD around March or April. Looks like the track list will include the following, plus (I'm sure) a few others: Fenario Che Guevara T-Shirt So Says the Whippoorwill Gray Green Before You Go The Island The Last Fare of the Day There Goes Mavis Cancion Sencilla >> Which brings me to my second concern, the website. I read some discussion in the archives about the website regarding improvements, but there still has not been a single update since December last year. << Just last month, (October 14th, to be exact) Scott Shindell posted a message on the list, asking for suggestions on how to enhance Richard's website. Take a look at the archives, and you'll see a bunch of ideas the list came up with. I'm sure Scott will be arranging to put some of those ideas into the works as soon as possible. But believe me, many of us echo your concerns about the site needing more updating than it currently gets. >> The music that is going to be playing will be "The Weather" by RS. Pretty appropriate don't you think? << Hmmm. Gene, Isabel, what do you think? RG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 13:28:11 -0800 From: "Sandra J. Smith" Subject: Re: [RS] Chautauquas My great-grandfather was a Methodist preacher who used to like to shout about fire and brimstone and eternal damnation. His daughter (my grandmother) used to talk about going to Chautauquas with him in the heartland (Nebraska, Iowa, Missouri). I grew up thinking the word referred only to the big-tent revival meetings. Thanks for the additional information. Incidentally, my grandmother was a teetotaller and a very religious woman in her own right. But she apparently had some issues with her father, because I'm told that she always carried a small flask of bourbon with her when she went to hear him preach, and took a slug or two before settling in for the harangue! >Hello-- new to this list, and probably semi-new to Shindell's music, >by comparison to some... >But I wanted to share some info on this! The word "Chautauqua" is >Iroquois, and means "jumping fish", although I have heard that it >also means "two moccasins" as well- many Indian words seem to have >duality like that! And there is also the lake in NY state, no doubt >adopted from the Iroquois word- perhaps there were fish leaping all >abouts. >In the late 1800's, there was an "revivalist-style" educational >movement, initiated by a group of Methodists I believe, altho the >Chautauqua Movement displayed no religious underpinings. There were >establiched "Chautauquas" that had actual buildings, and hosted >classes and lectures, and could probably be compared to today's >community colleges. Then there were the "travelling chautauquas", >which were mobile, tent-based, travelling versions, and were very >popular in the West, where there were not a lot of institutions of >higher learning in rural areas. In addition to lectures and >educational things, the travelling versions also had entertainment, >along the lines of Vaudeville acts and such. One thing that is >important to mention about both styles of Chautauquas is that they >were open to both any men AND women, which at the time, was unheard >of-- women were still unable to vote, and society more or less >prohibited women outside of the upper class to attend colleges or to >furthe! > r themselves academically or professionally. >With the increasing popularity of "moving pictures", radio, and the >increasing prevalance of the car, these travelling chautauquas, as >well as their more permanent 'college style' brethren, were in >decline by the 1920s, and the Great Depression pretty much finished >them all off for good. > >On a related note, Peter Mulvey, Jeff Foucault, and Kris Delmhorst >toured the UK earlier this year, and called their tour "The >Chautauqua Tour", which was based on this same principals, but >without the tent. Peter Mulvey is from Milwaukee, WI, but came up >through the Boston music scene, where he met Kris Delmhorst. Jeff >Foucault is from Ft. Atkinson, WI, about 60 miles from Milwaukee, >and I wont bore you on how Peter and Jeff met and became friends. >This past August, they all ended up in Ft. Atkinson, and Peter was >headlining shows at the small, intimate Cafi Carpe. They decided >that they were finally going to record the record that they had been >talking about, and with a $10,000 microphone borrowed from a studio, >they recorded it themselves, in a living room, with all of them >sitting around the microphone-- which may account for the "campfire >circle" feel to it. > >I have a whole bunch of 'master' live recordings of Mulvey and >Foucault, (and plenty of other artists too!!!) if anyone would be >interested-- I have only 1-2 Shindell recordings that I have traded >for.... (hint hint) > >We now return you to your regularly scheduled Shindell List, already >in progress! ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V5 #267 ***********************************