From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V5 #161 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Saturday, August 2 2003 Volume 05 : Number 161 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Natural comedians [LBECKLAW@aol.com] Re: [RS] Natural comedians [ThisWasPompeii@aol.com] [RS] RE: shindell-list-digest V5 #158 [ctoph@onebox.com] Re: [RS] Natural comedians [Sean La Roche ] Re: [RS] Natural comedians [Norman Johnson ] Re: [RS] Dar and Richard debate [sekrauss@comcast.net] [RS] Layered meanings in songs [ThisWasPompeii@aol.com] [RS] to dar to not to dar ["sharon g" ] [RS] I Don't Know. Third Base. ["Gene Frey" ] Re: [RS] Dar and Richard debate ["Sandra J. Smith" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 17:04:10 EDT From: LBECKLAW@aol.com Subject: [RS] Natural comedians In a message dated 8/1/2003 4:55:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org writes: > . In my > view, only Cliff Eberhardt is as naturally funny. I'll throw in my vote for Lucy Kaplansky as a naturally funny stand up comedienne who tells laugh-out-loud stories between songs. I also thought John Gorka had some good onstage banter. -Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 17:10:29 EDT From: ThisWasPompeii@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Natural comedians In a message dated 08/01/2003 4:05:10 PM Central Daylight Time, LBECKLAW@aol.com writes: > I also thought John Gorka had some good onstage banter One time I heard Gorka screw up something he wanted to say. He tried to recover, but finally gave up with: "You know, English is not my first language." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 17:22:39 -0400 From: ctoph@onebox.com Subject: [RS] RE: shindell-list-digest V5 #158 > Richard debutted two songs at falcon ridge.. One written in the >style of a traditional ballad he attributed to Dylan called >Fennario. I could only associate it to Pretty Peggy O.. Richard called it "Marching to Fenario" when he played it at his May concert in Seattle. He said at the time it was less than a week old. His picking style stood out more than anything - a simple, one-note-at-a-time linear pattern, but incredibly fast and dead-on accurate. I was so transfixed with his flatpicking that the other elements of the song were sort of fuzzy! Christoph ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 15:27:47 -0600 From: Sean La Roche Subject: Re: [RS] Natural comedians Where is Cheryl, or for that matter Vance? Sean LBECKLAW@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/1/2003 4:55:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org writes: > > > . In my > > view, only Cliff Eberhardt is as naturally funny. > I'll throw in my vote for Lucy Kaplansky as a naturally funny stand up > comedienne who tells laugh-out-loud stories between songs. > I also thought John Gorka had some good onstage banter. -Laura - -- Sean La Roche 505/262-2969 New Mexico laroche@swcp.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 17:18:27 -0400 From: Norman Johnson Subject: Re: [RS] Natural comedians As far as the natural comedians in the folk world go, there is Vance Gilbert and then there are the others. And Vance plus Jodi Gill are the Abbott and Costello of the folk world. Norman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 21:45:50 +0000 From: sekrauss@comcast.net Subject: Re: [RS] Dar and Richard debate Yes long explanations are a problem - especially when they go into the whole story/plot of the song so there's no real reason to sing once the talking is over. But some explanation can be useful. I for one had no idea that "Love Before You Go" was about Jesus because I don't have a Christian background so the lyrics and imagery which were apparent to most went right by me. The song made no sense if it was about lovers and I just plain didn't get it (until I asked on this list). susan in alameda ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:55:35 EDT From: ThisWasPompeii@aol.com Subject: [RS] Layered meanings in songs I read an interview with John Hiatt that said "Ethylene" was inspired during a trip through rural Missouri. A man told him his wife was a good hunter, that she could "bag her limit." Hiatt liked the phrase and used it in his song. It's a great love song. The interviewer commented that Ethylene sounded like Ted Nugent's dream date. But of course ethylene is another word for alcohol, and Hiatt is a recovering alcoholic. I know some recovering alcoholics, and I believe they miss not just the alcohol, but the life. On the one hand Ethylene may be "Ted Nugent's dream date," and on the other hand it may be a valentine to the drinking life. I miss that crocheted thing You kept on the kleenex box I miss my feet On your cold linoleum floor Sippin hot coffee After makin love till daybreak Well Ethylene a fool would ask for more Ethylene, my ethylene My love for you is just obscene My deer you dress My fish you clean But you are nowhere to be seen My Ethylene http://display.lyrics.astraweb.com:2000/display.cgi?john_hiatt..walk_on..ethylene ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 23:26:02 +0000 From: "sharon g" Subject: [RS] to dar to not to dar No surprise from this camper, that I see over and over for her stories.. She leaves the meaning of the words to be to claim as my own..Her song are intimate and the meanings arent really clear or apparent.. Mostly with Beauty they are about her .. they are personal songs..Dar's songs are puzzles.. she gets slammed for the beauty of the rain and i think for her to reproduce the same same same cd is sinful.. not saying Richard does that.. Dar's songs are not necessarily "story songs" as Richard has written..There are no mystious villians or dark shadows or nuns ( well maybe a few scattered nuns). There are characters though.. Not necessarily fully evolved characters, dar leaves something for the listener to fill in .. Sal the Slimeball, Flinty women, the miata drivers and waitress..Its the emotions that strike me.. I am not saying Richards characters are emotionless or less flushed out or one dimensional.. They are different characters..Richard reached for something different form his audience.. He tunes.. She talks.. He 's a guy.. She isnt a boy... I saw Crycrycry 7 times and i saw the artists start to learn from one another.. Lucy started to talk, Richard talked more.. Both women tuned more..Lucy and Richard learned to meet their fans.. Dar entertains differently.. They also have much overlap in audience and a different audience... Because dar has been more sucessful in industry terms doesnt make her a worse performer, songwriter or sell out and no one said she was.. her stories and her charm, her sense of remembering YOu have graduated or gave birth or have a kid or where you live.. the personal dar.. is also what makes her charming.. her stories are entertaining for the 98th time i hear them.. they always are slightly different.. That doesnt follow thru with all artists.. sometimes the same story or song gets boring.. and then i stop seeing them...or skip a year or two.. sharonG - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 19:52:18 -0400 From: "Gene Frey" Subject: [RS] I Don't Know. Third Base. Hey you guys, Norman noted: >>As far as the natural comedians in the folk world go, there is Vance >>Gilbert and then there are the others. And Vance plus Jodi Gill are the >>Abbott and Costello of the folk world. << Absolutely, Norman. Theirs is one set you don't listen to while reading a book. It has to be seen as well as heard. Twice now we have seen Vance with Ellis Paul, where they shared the stage for the entire show, and they go at it pretty well. The best part was Vance just killing Ellis about his 'hit' record. A total hoot. Gene F. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 17:59:31 -0700 From: "Sandra J. Smith" Subject: Re: [RS] Dar and Richard debate I heard RS perform "Before you go" on the day the rebels were removed from the church of the nativity. He prefaced the song by acknowledging that the church had been liberated that day, thanking God, and saying that the song takes place "Well, there." It was incredibly moving. >Yes long explanations are a problem - especially when they go into the whole >story/plot of the song so there's no real reason to sing once the talking is >over. > >But some explanation can be useful. I for one had no idea that "Love Before >You Go" was about Jesus because I don't have a Christian background so the >lyrics and imagery which were apparent to most went right by me. >The song made >no sense if it was about lovers and I just plain didn't get it (until I asked >on this list). > >susan in alameda ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 22:12:40 EDT From: Patience9@aol.com Subject: [RS] favs My list is even shorter...i only go to Richard, Tracy Grammar or Joan Baez (and only every 5 years) concerts. Most of the music I prefer isn't folk. > Richard Shindell is one of my favorite folk singers. I have become very > picky over the years and he is on a small list of performers that I follow > seriously ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 01:17:15 -0400 From: B Gallagher Subject: [RS] Catching up on my reading Hi All, As per Jim C, my favorites shift with time too. Though not as touching as his experience, I'll give a nod to Wisteria now as We have just moved from our first home of 18 years. As I still have our first house, I'm still going back often to work on it before selling or renting it. The Sonora Sessions has been in the car for the past two weeks and I've been playing it coming and going to the old place. One of my favorites is also "Confession", the Sonora Sessions version. It rocks. I mean this take could crossover to AOR. Seriously. Are you listening Clear Channel? (Do we care? We should. see http://www.musicandfilmnetwork.com/mediamobster.htm) Didn't Justin Timberlake just sign with Signature? Look for him on the next Sampler. :) BG No relation to any of the RGs or to Lillian, or to those Aussies. ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V5 #161 ***********************************