From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V5 #158 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Thursday, July 31 2003 Volume 05 : Number 158 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V5 #157 [RG959@aol.com] [RS] favorite shindell songs [Jim Colbert ] Re: [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V5 #157 [Rongrittz@aol.com] [RS] Intro (:43) ["Gene Frey" ] [RS] Re: Intro (:43) [rfoxwell@wso.williams.edu] Re: [RS] Intro (:43) [Rongrittz@aol.com] Re: [RS] Intro (:43) [ThisWasPompeii@aol.com] [RS] RE: Dar, FR, etc [] [RS] favorites [Norman Johnson ] [RS] Fishing [Norman Johnson ] Re: [RS] RE: Dar, FR, etc [Tom Neff ] [RS] Ricahrds newest songs ["sharon g" ] Re: [RS] Ricahrds newest songs [Chris Foxwell ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:06:09 -0400 From: RG959@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V5 #157 Dar's defenders have a point. My complaints about her music aside, Dar has never struck me as an egotist. Quite the opposite, almost as though she's uncomfortable with celebrity. > I feel just the opposite. The few shows I have of hers or Cryx3, it seems she always has to intro a song, like she thinks it has some deep meaning or inspiration. Why does she do that? Does she just like to hear herself talk? RG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:16:42 -0400 From: Jim Colbert Subject: [RS] favorite shindell songs >Regarding my favorite RS songs: > > > Varies constantly, so many good ones... but Wisteria comes to mind immediately; tears my heart out every time I hear it. (Having sold my lifelong home after the death of my mother a few years back, it just strikes a chord.) Loading up the U-haul with the last of her belongings that I could reasonably take while living in a townhouse, it was like touching an exposed nerve... I couldn't bear to listen to it, but I needed to, y'know? Reunion hill is one I never get tired of, either. Especially in the slow, solo version. Although next best western is probably my favorite one to play, of the few I murder. (covers notwithstanding.) Jim somewhere near bellefonte http://www.mysongwriters.com/JimColbert/JimColbert.htm ps Robyn, check the archives for discussions on tape trading, etc. and a lot of other great topics: http://grassyhill.org/stax/shindell/ You can pretty much ignore the website for anything other than tour dates... it was last updated, what, winter 02? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:37:32 -0400 From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V5 #157 >> I feel just the opposite. The few shows I have of hers or Cryx3, it seems she always has to intro a song, like she thinks it has some deep meaning or inspiration. Why does she do that? Does she just like to hear herself talk? << Wow. First I had to 'splain to folks who were confused that me and RockinRonD are not the same Ron, now I'm gonna have to 'splain that me and RG959 are different RGs. RG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 17:01:52 -0400 From: "Gene Frey" Subject: [RS] Intro (:43) Hey you guys, RG (the one who was not at Tracy Grammer's amazing show at Makor last night) wrote: >>I feel just the opposite. The few shows I have of hers or Cryx3, it seems >>she always has to intro a song, like she thinks it has some deep meaning >>or inspiration. Why does she do that? Does she just like to hear herself >>talk? << A few thoughts: 1) Well, it beats 40 seconds of tuning 2) Folksingers that do NOT do this are clearly the exception 3) I, for one, like to know what is behind the song. If a singer is just going to get up there and pound out 70 minutes of songs, with an occasional Framptonesque 'Thank you' every so oftern, I may as well stay home and listen to a CD. 4) Finally, Dar's songs do, in most cases, have deep meaning or inspiration, both for herself and her fans. So do Richard's, and Dave Carter's, and John Gorka's, and so on. Not so much for Celine Dion or Justin Timberlake, perhaps. Gene F. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 17:15:54 -0400 From: rfoxwell@wso.williams.edu Subject: [RS] Re: Intro (:43) Quoting Gene Frey : > 4) Finally, Dar's songs do, in most cases, have deep meaning or inspiration, > > both for herself and her fans. So do Richard's, and Dave Carter's, and John > Gorka's, and so on. Not so much for Celine Dion or Justin Timberlake, > perhaps. Well said. You beat me to the punch; I was going to remark that I have yet to see RS perform a new or unfamiliar song without giving a fairly detailed explanation of the song's meaning or relevance. This is not pretension, this is contextualization. A friend with whom I saw last night's Passim performance, who had never seen RS play before, whispered to me that she really liked how he explained each song ahead of time, so as to allow various themes and elements to stand out and be appreciated. I agree with her. Dar is hardly alone in doing this. - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 17:16:22 -0400 From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Intro (:43) 1) >> Well, it beats 40 seconds of tuning << Not so fast, Weatherman. Better 40 seconds of tuning than 3:30 of out-of-tune playing. Haven't you ever seen the "Tune It Or Die" T-shirts? >> I, for one, like to know what is behind the song. << Yeah, generally. The first 700 times. No one loved Dave Carter more than I did, but if I heard the Merle Haggard intro to "Crocodile Man" one more time, I might have thrown myself into an actual crocodile's mouth and hoped that he liked kosher food. >> Not so much for Celine Dion or Justin Timberlake, perhaps. << I am not sure why the Richard list occasionally becomes the slam Celene Dion and Justin Timberlake list. ;-) RG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 17:19:51 EDT From: ThisWasPompeii@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Intro (:43) In a message dated 07/31/2003 4:02:16 PM Central Daylight Time, gf212121@hotmail.com writes: > 2) Folksingers that do NOT do this are clearly the exception > > Did anyone see that documentary on Ramblin' Jack Elliott made by his daughter? One friend was quoted: "A lot of people think he's called Ramblin' Jack Elliott because of the way he lives, but it's really because of the way he talks." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 17:41:45 -0400 From: Subject: [RS] RE: Dar, FR, etc Ok, easy Dar worshippers! I didn't intend to slam her at all! I'm a big fan. I apparently heard it wrong, and took it out of context. The way I had heard it, it rubbed me the wrong way. I'm glad to stand corrected! Jeesh. dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 18:22:10 -0400 From: Norman Johnson Subject: [RS] favorites My favorite RS song remains "Nora". Of the new ones, it's probably the whiperwill song. I do like "Last Fare of the Day" but I don't quite grok it. Norman ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 18:29:15 -0400 From: Norman Johnson Subject: [RS] Fishing Robyn wrote: >> since i asked the question, i guess i'll pitch in too :-) i'd have to say my favorite richard song is "Fishing" - it's just the most clever song ever, the way the two stories weave in and out of each other and the subtleties of the language. i was most definitely quite obsessed with this song when i first heard it and still haven't managed to get sick of it years later.<< Fishing was the first Richard song that grabbed me-- I had heard Joan's version before and then I heard Richard's when he opened for Dar in Oct. '97 (my first Dar and my first Richard show). Also, I thought it was brilliant to have Fishing follow "Che Guevara T-shirt" at his FRFF mainstage set. Norman ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 18:38:03 -0400 From: Tom Neff Subject: Re: [RS] RE: Dar, FR, etc - --On Thursday, July 31, 2003 5:41 PM -0400 David.Purpura@nokia.com wrote: > Ok, easy Dar worshippers! I don't think one necessarily needs to be a "Dar worshipper" to have a reaction in a thread like this one. Dar and Richard have a long and important musical relationship. Also, she didn't say it, which obviously is going to be a factor. :) > Jeesh. Ah, another Orson Scott Card fan. http://www.geocities.com/enderjeesh/contents.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:42:30 +0000 From: "sharon g" Subject: [RS] Ricahrds newest songs Richard debutted two songs at falcon ridge.. One written in the style of a traditional ballad he attributed to Dylan called Fennario. I could only associate it to Pretty Peggy O.. there are other Dylan experts out there. And the second has been reference . It the song of the Whippowill which he reported was inspired by dave carter and he dedicated the last verse to him.. Both appeared on the Contemporary/Traditional workshop stage where he also sang of Paddy's Shamrock.. It was a keeper.. though she aint got a shot in hell.. she missed her chance to follow Paddy with the Ballad of Loch Lomand and Lucy would have had the place in tears... It was nice to see Richard in his best dylanesque glasses and i could spot his daughter sitting at the back of the workshop in a minute.. She is a cookie cutter of her dad.. She has his eyes. But then i again, I have seen a stranger with his eyes... sharon - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 18:48:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Foxwell Subject: Re: [RS] Ricahrds newest songs > Richard debutted two songs at falcon ridge.. One written in the style of > a traditional ballad he attributed to Dylan called Fennario. I could only > associate it to Pretty Peggy O.. Fenarrio! That's the one I couldn't remember, that RS played at Passim on Thursday. He also likened it to "Pretty Peggy O", and seemed to place a lot of emphasis on using a stanza from a John Donne poem to close the song out. I like it, but not as much as the Whipporwill song or "Last Fare of the Day". Or Grey-Green, for that matter, that's a very pretty song. - --Chris ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V5 #158 ***********************************