From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V5 #46 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Tuesday, March 11 2003 Volume 05 : Number 046 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [RS] Ann Arbor Show, 3/9 [Rongrittz@aol.com] [RS] A sumerian wind, a cotton dress [Jim Colbert ] Re: [RS] The Mountain ["Shelley DePaul" ] Re: [RS] A sumerian wind, a cotton dress ["Shelley DePaul" ] Re: [RS] Richard & Tracy in Pittsburgh ["vududoll" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:44:12 -0500 From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Ann Arbor Show, 3/9 >> Tracy said that a new Dave and Tracy CD is forthcoming, and she may put together a band to record another CD of Dave's songs sometime after that. It sounds like she's found a lot of good unreleased Dave songs on cassette, some dating back to the '80s. << In speaking to Tracy out in Portland last week, she indicated that the "new CD" would probably be the long-awaited release of the re-recorded "Snake Handlin' Man" tracks (Dave's original solo CD, for those of you who are not familiar with it), which she's planning to release as a CD called "Seven is the Number" (after one of the two new tracks she's adding, in addition to "Gas Station Girl") sometime late this spring. >> Tracy's portion of the show is as much memorial as it is concert. Dave's musical and personal powers are very much at the forefront of her stage patter, and there's a deeply reverent tone to every invocation of his memory. It didn't bother me, but I can imagine some people in the audience thinking, "enough with what a brilliant/visionary/prophetic guy Dave was already." But I think she's basically working through her grief onstage, and it's not often you have an opportunity to see a performer engaged in such a powerful and personal moment. << An important thing to consider is that even at Tracy's solo shows (based on informal audience polls she's been taking), 30% to 50% of the audience is new to their music, and I can imagine the percentage is even higher at what's primarily a Shindell show. So, if much of the audience is really in a "So, what's this Dave Carter guy all about?" mode, hearing some of the background of the visionary himself can only contribute to the understanding of the Dave Carter legacy. At least the shows are not maudlin, and have become more of a celebration of the man's music than they are a memorial to his passing. And I imagine that as the weeks pass, the balance will shift even more. Hope to see some of you at The Knitting Factory in NYC in a few weeks. RG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:41:15 -0500 From: Jim Colbert Subject: [RS] A sumerian wind, a cotton dress > Unless they tack > it on to something else other than 'The Mountain.' Jim, didn't you mention > something about a Sumerian something when you reviewed the Godfrey's show a > while back? Hmmm... if I did I don't recall it now. (The first thing that comes to my mind when I think of Sumerian is the opening of Monty Python and the Holy Grail!) jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:43:03 -0500 From: "Shelley DePaul" Subject: Re: [RS] The Mountain > It's actually a harmonized a cappela version of the chant that Dave did under the last verse of the song: Ah, yes. I was aware of that little ending, but I thought maybe something more was added. Thanks Ron. Cedar Trees are also an integral part of the Gilgamesh Epic. I won't bore you with the details, and you don't need them to appreciate Dave's song just as it is, but understanding the allusion adds a lot of depth to the song, and goes to show not only how well- read Dave was, but with what incite. I miss him. > An important thing to consider is that even at Tracy's solo shows (based on informal audience polls she's been taking), 30% to 50% of the audience is new to their music, and I can imagine the percentage is even higher at what's primarily a Shindell show. So, if much of the audience is really in a "So, what's this Dave Carter guy all about?" mode, hearing some of the background of the visionary himself can only contribute to the understanding of the Dave Carter legacy. > Absolutely. Personally, there are very few artists who appeal to me in the same way that Dave did. (Richard is one) I've never gotten the sense from Tracy that her interest in performing Dave's music was in memorandum (except for maybe personally - just for her - and I think she does an amazing job at keeping that to herself) so much as that she knows how important the music itself is. And it's too true that few people had time to hear it. I'm glad she's getting it out there. Can't wait to hear the new stuff. I'd also like to add that although Tracy performs primarily Dave's music, she is a fine artist in her own right. (I was immediately captivated with HER voice first time I heard them.) It will be interesting to see what else she might come out with. (Geeze, maybe I should have posted this to Tracy's list.) Shelley - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [RS] The Mountain > >> I'm a little curious about this 'Sumerian conclusion' thing. I wonder, what it is? << > > It's actually a harmonized a cappela version of the chant that Dave did under the last verse of the song: > > da-ri kur-niserin-na, pirin zalag, pirin zalag > da-ri kur-niserin-na, dili-du-a, dili-du > [endless mountain of cedar trees, forest of light, forest of light > endless mountain of cedar trees, i walk alone, i walk alone] > > RG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 12:13:05 -0500 From: "Shelley DePaul" Subject: Re: [RS] A sumerian wind, a cotton dress > Hmmm... if I did I don't recall it now. O.K. I looked it up. You did. As follows: (I keep everything. You should see my house) 'He commented several times on how much he was enjoying playing on the bill with Joan and Dave and Tracey- mentioned he's been singing harmony on the mountain and singing some backup in Sumerian, too.' So, there you go. Probably much the same as what they are doing now. O.K. I gotta get some stuff done : ) Later then, Shelley - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Colbert" To: Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 11:41 AM Subject: [RS] A sumerian wind, a cotton dress > > Unless they tack > > it on to something else other than 'The Mountain.' Jim, didn't you mention > > something about a Sumerian something when you reviewed the Godfrey's show a > > while back? > > Hmmm... if I did I don't recall it now. > > (The first thing that comes to my mind when I think of Sumerian is the opening of Monty Python and the Holy > Grail!) > > jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:26:46 -0500 From: "Shelley DePaul" Subject: Re: [RS] The Mountain > and goes to show not only how well- read Dave was, but with what incite. Oops I meant 'insight'. I swear I'm losin' it. Although if I thought long enough about it I could probably make the other one apply as well. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shelley DePaul" To: Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [RS] The Mountain ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 20:32:18 -0500 From: "vududoll" Subject: Re: [RS] Richard & Tracy in Pittsburgh Vanessa asked: "So, are any listers planning to make > it out to the Club Cafe on Sunday 16th?" My husband and I will definitely be there! We won't take our usual front-and-center seats, though, because when (not "if") the tears start to flow I don't want to be distracting. This will be our first time seeing Tracy since a week before Dave's passing, and I think we're both going to be a little shaky. Seeing Tracy and Richard on the same evening is going to be an amazing experience -- I can't wait! And then, four days later, we're going to see Mary Gauthier at the same club. Life is good.... ~Sue ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 22:54:44 -0600 From: "Richard W. Samsel" Subject: [RS] On Richard and Tracy >>He made an outrageous number of mistakes Richard made only a few trivial mistakes Friday and Saturday: one wrong word and a couple of erroneous notes. His guitar pickups went out on Saturday, blowing the mix on a song. He heard the problem but the audience told him the sound was fine. The audience couldn't fool him for long, though. >>what a brilliant/visionary/prophetic guy Dave was With the first Dave Carter song I ever heard (When I Go -- on Solid Heart) I figured out that Dave was all those things; it is further confirmed with every song I hear. I got to meet him once after a set, about 2 months before he died; I was struck by what a warm and generous person he was, as well. I left the concert looking forward to when I might be able to meet him again. On Saturday I told the folks with me (who didn't know Dave or Tracy's music) that the concert might seem like a requiem for Dave Carter. After listening to Dave Carter's music, through Tracy, they thought the tone of the concert entirely appropriate. - -- Dick ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V5 #46 **********************************