From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V5 #25 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Saturday, February 8 2003 Volume 05 : Number 025 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] New convert ["Simon URQUHART" ] [RS] Sonora Sessions Are In ["scott shindell" ] [RS] the banks of poncho and lefty [Jim Colbert ] [RS] and next, we'll discuss bodhran again [Jim Colbert ] [RS] Division ["Dave McKay" ] [RS] Scotching ["Dave McKay" ] [RS] 2 tickets for maryland show, April 3, 2nd row center [WJBpa@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 10:18:51 -0000 From: "Simon URQUHART" Subject: [RS] New convert Hi Everyone, I am a new convert to the World of Richard Shindell, an artist most people in the UK have never heard of. I finally tracked down a copy of Courier this week (you can't get any of his material in any of the big record stores here) and it hasn't been off the stereo since. Supposed to be getting Somewhere Near Paterson within the next week. I was wondering if anyone trades Shindell concert recordings ??? Any help or advice would be much appreciated. Best Wishes Simon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 22:48:59 -0500 From: "scott shindell" Subject: [RS] Sonora Sessions Are In Those 250 Sonora Sessions are in. Got 'em right here. One is $8.00, which includes S&H. If you want more than one, I'll adjust the price because the shipping will be less for us. Just let me know how many you'd like, and I'll get back to you with a price. If you want to order by mail, make a check payable to Richard Shindell and send it to the address below. Scott Shindell Red Square Communications 8932 Griffin Way Pikesville, MD 21208-1423 sshindell@hotmail.com I also have a PayPal account. Email address is sshindell@hotmail.com. Feel free to use that, too. Thanks in advance. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 08:41:44 -0500 From: Jim Colbert Subject: [RS] the banks of poncho and lefty > Also, I talked to Richard once at a show about the origin of "The Banks of > the Pontchartrain". He said that he thinks it is Irish American, but I made > the assertion that it is more likely Scottish American because of one of the > words used. I say this because the word "Bonnie", meaning attractive,(The > line goes: "So fare thee well, my bonnie girl") is a word I associate more > with Scots (Bonnie Prince Charlie, "The Bonnie Bonnie Banks of Loch Lomand") > than with the Irish. Am I wrong? Hmm, reminds me of the phone booth versus box in the song May debates of a few years past! I think your assumption that the word is normally Scottish is correct, but I think through the years songs that have been handed down primarily through the oral tradition get tweaked and modified and changed a little bit, too... hell, didn't Lomax actually write additional verses for traditional songs? Anyway, unless it's something you can trace back to a definitive published source like the Child Ballads, I think it's nearly impossible to say for sure. Ron, you've played this live, learn anything more about it than what you have on your web site? - -Jim Colbert Oh yeah, and as a footnote: Here's a quote from a post on mudcat.org, a great source for information on traditional folk material. I know there are a couple other threads on the song, but their search feature is down right now. Hi - the information in the Traditional Ballad Index (click) on this song isn't satisfying, but it's a start. I'm not sure about that date, 1924, that they have listed - I think it's the earliest date they found it in print. Here's what I found in Sam Henry's Songs of the People: The Lakes of Ponchartrain [H619: 12 Oct 1935; Laws H9] Source: Paddy M'Closkey (Carnamenagh, Corkey, County Antrim), learned from Frank M'Allister (Carnagall, Corkey) c. 1905, And several threads about the song: http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=21105 http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=46071 http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=39459 (not much here) http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=6604 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 08:52:02 -0500 From: Jim Colbert Subject: [RS] and next, we'll discuss bodhran again > Dave wrote: > > >I've never heard the word pronounced *properly* with a sibilant outside > >references to sports. But, hold on a second ... basketball teams? Glasgow > >Celtic football team predates the Boston Celtics by 58 years! > > Dave, you beat me to the punch. I was going to comment on Celtic (selltic) > Football club too in Glasgow. So you guys are saying in regards to music, we should be pronouncing it "Sell-tick?" How did it turn into "kell-tic" here then? Just an American bastardization? Seriously, I'm not giving anyone a hard time here, I just wanna pronounce it correctly! Jim (and then maybe someone can tell me why the @$# we call it "football" here... I mean, I don't wanna bash an American tradition, much less an American tradition that I enjoy, but that never did make much sense to me. At best you have a few field goals or extra points that are actually foot-related, as opposed to what we call soccer where you literally are kicking... aw man, my head is starting to hurt...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 10:33:16 -0800 From: "Sandra J. Smith" Subject: Re: [RS] New convert Welcome, Simon. I don't know anything about concert recordings, but you should definitely order a copy of the Sonora Sessions, an EP that was out of print until Richard's brother, Scott, got them to reprint 250 copies - largely because people on this list were clamoring for it. It will probably cost a bit more than the quoted price of $8.00 US, since you're in the UK, but it's well worth it. Sandy >Hi Everyone, >I am a new convert to the World of Richard Shindell, an artist most people in >the UK have never heard of. I finally tracked down a copy of Courier this >week (you can't get any of his material in any of the big record stores here) >and it hasn't been off the stereo since. Supposed to be getting Somewhere >Near Paterson within the next week. I was wondering if anyone trades Shindell >concert recordings ??? Any help or advice would be much appreciated. >Best Wishes >Simon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 21:08:09 -0000 From: "Dave McKay" Subject: [RS] Division > Incidentally for those of you who aren't > familiar with Scottish Football, all of the Catholics in Glasgow > are Celtic > fans and all of the Protestants are fans of their rival Rangers Football > Club. It would be more accurate to say that most Celtic fans are Catholics, and most Rangers fans Protestants. They are not the only two professional football teams in Glasgow (although they are far and away the most successful). > There are frequent fights between these fans. Perhaps in the 1970s, but not today. Sure, an Old Firm match (as games between the two are known) will have its fair share of arrests, but no more so now than any match between two geographically close teams with historic rivalries. Indeed, Scots football fans now have reputation, in the main, as friendly and trustworthy. Unlike some of their neighbours south of the border. > I was surprised to > learn of the religious division among sports fans there thinking that was > more of an Irish thing. Religious division goes beyond sport in Scotland. There is a separate Catholic school system. Before I was five, I played with the little girl across the road. When we started school, we went to different primary schools: she was Catholic; I was not. The Orange Lodge (a Protestant "freemasonry") paraded down the main road outside our house every July 12 in celebration of the Battle of the Boyne. The town of Croy, mere miles from where I grew up, is such a Catholic enclave that you will not see a blue car in the entire area. > I lived in Edinburgh for 6 months ... Of course, there's a division between Glasgow and Edinburgh, too! An entirely ecumenical one! Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 21:15:04 -0000 From: "Dave McKay" Subject: [RS] Scotching > So you guys are saying in regards to music, we should be pronouncing it > "Sell-tick?" Nope. Keltick for everything apart from sports teams, which are Selltick! Much like the use of the words Scots and Scotch. Scots/Scottish for everything apart from fixed expressions (whisky, mist, pancakes, tape, etc). Never refer to a Scotchman unless you wish him to prove his skean dhu has more than a ceremonial use ... ! ;-) Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 17:53:58 EST From: WJBpa@aol.com Subject: [RS] 2 tickets for maryland show, April 3, 2nd row center hello, my name is bill and this is my first posting. I have been a fan of RS for about a year now, when I bought "courier" and subsequently saw him in NYC w/ lucy. Along with amiee mann he has to be one of the most gifted songcrafters out there today. This xmas i was given 2 fantastic tickets, second row, to see him and lucy at the GORDON CENTER FOR THE ARTS, April 3rd (ORCH-L ROW B, seats 1 to 3). Unfortunately it is quite a drive for me, since i live out in northern pa these days, and since another show in pa was added recently, i would like to sell these. I'm not out to make a buck! Please email me if interested at WJBpa@aol.com thank you! ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V5 #25 **********************************