From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V4 #336 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Tuesday, December 24 2002 Volume 04 : Number 336 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] CMW [Jim Colbert ] [RS] Genuine ["Bill Chmelir" ] Re: [RS] Genuine [Janet Cinelli ] [RS] On live recordings . . . [ptpower@juno.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:00:42 -0500 From: Jim Colbert Subject: [RS] CMW Just FYI. Now who says Richard doesn't have great taste in cover material! Jim Colbert Bellefonte PA (snip) JAMES KEELAGHAN WINS FIRST PRIZE IN FOLK CATEGORY IN USA SONGWRITING CONTEST 12/9/02 Juno award-winning folk troubadour, James Keelaghan, has just won first place in the folk category for his song Cold Missouri Waters in the USA Songwriting Competition, the world's leading international songwriting contest. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:52:53 -0700 From: "Bill Chmelir" Subject: [RS] Genuine Hey there, If I would have been in charge of the production of Courier and we didn't come up with a good take of Reunion Hill, I would have done one of two things. First I would have recorded more concerts to get a good take. If that didn't work out, I would have added the studio take with Larry Campbell without the dubbed crowd noise to the disc as a hidden track. You know, like Sing Me Back Home is added on Reunion Hill. I think dubbing and doctoring up live stuff is frankly lame. I don't know about you guys, but when I listen to Courier and Reunion Hill comes on smack dab in the middle of all of the tracks, and I can tell that it was recorded in the studio, I think "this sounds like it was recorded in the studio with the audience noise dubbed in later. Great track, but lame in the middle of a live CD". And then I listen to the rest of the CD. I don't care if all other artists do it that way. It's lame when they do it too. And who among us has ever been to a Richard Shindell concert when he didn't make a few mistakes? I've heard him mix up the order of the verses on several songs in addition to minor technical mistakes. The Sonora Session shows this. Richard Shindell is human, and his Courier CD would have been better if it were more genuine and human as well. Bill Ft. Collins Colorado - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 18:18:56 -0800 (PST) From: Janet Cinelli Subject: Re: [RS] Genuine I have to agree and say that Reunion Hill is distracting because it is obviously (at least to me) not a "live" recording. Maybe it should've gone on the Sonora Sessions. I always thought live meant mistakes and all. That is part of the charm. I have been getting an education on live albums. I never knew such manipulation was going on! I would also like to ask whoever said the pictures on the Kiss Alive album is faked, how do they know this? I know someone who swears they are in that picture! So it would be a bummer to them if it was true! Janet Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 04:56:27 GMT From: ptpower@juno.com Subject: [RS] On live recordings . . . Sometime ago, Jim post-scripted: >>who was surprised to not see rg mention one of my all-time favorite live albums, dylan and the band's before the flood! (And would have to offer as his top five live albums, in no particular order, courier, before the flood, stan rogers between the breaks, johnny cash at folsom prison (the first live album I ever owned!), and townes van zandt live at the old quarter.<< As someone who collected most of the Dylan '74 concert recordings lo those many years ago, and who (at the time) LOVED "After The Flood", it doesn't live up to the recently released Rolling Thunder Revue double-disc set, something I've been waiting for since '75. The Rolling Thunder Tour (based on the recordings I was able to get my hands on at the time) was a looser, more enjoyable Dylan than I think I've ever heard. The best recordings of Dylan's '74 shows came early on in the tour as he and The Band were getting their footing and Dylan was playing a lot more of his newer material. By the time the show hit Los Angeles, whence (if I recall correctly) the preponderance of the tracks were taken, the show had turned into an "autopilot" tour. If memory serves, "Blowin' In The Wind" was pieced together from two different shows. The Rolling Thunder Tour featured a lot of guest stars from town to town . . . I first heard probably my favorite Joni Mitchell song, "Coyote", for the first time on a bootleg recorded in Toronto. One of my favorite live recordings -- and one that I think most captures the essence of an artist's live show -- is Loudon Wainwright III's "Career Moves" recorded at the Bottom Line. I'm not entirely sure of the circumstances of the recording, but it appears to be close to an entire show of Loudon's, or at least a very close approximation. Converse to a few of the opinions I've heard here about the studio take of "Reunion Hill", there is one track on "Career Moves" on which I wish someone *would* have edited out audience reaction. The song is "April Fool's Day Morn", a song in which Loudon (if one is to assume that the song is autobiographical) comes clean about a night of foolish, excessive indulgence. He dedicates the song to his mother who is in the audience, and from the opening chords/notes, it's clear that the song is going to be one of his more serious tales. In the middle of the song, however, some oaf laughs and ruins (for me) what otherwise is a terrific reading of an amazing song. APRIL FOOL'S DAY MORN by Loudon Wainwright III At twelve midnight I called my mom On April Fool's Day morn We two are close sometimes I think Because I was breech-born The doctor reached inside of her He turned me 'round and pulled me out I emerged her bloody babe His slap produced my shout At twelve midnight I telephoned On April Fool's Day morn I told mom I'd be home late Then I hung up the horn I went back to the party then I got drunk with all the boys Our florid faces shown so bright We made a lot of noise By 2am we all were drunk On April Fool's Day morn We had insulted many folk Garnered plenty scorn We boys, some girls and some hangers-on Formed a jolly caravan We headed for my canyon home To make our fool's day stand Tempers flared and tears were shed On April Fool's Day morn Tequila ripped and on a tear My party shirt got torn I tried to take a woman down Right there on the bathroom floor She refused, I threw her out Screaming, "Bitch!" and "Whore!" [laughter] I threatened one poor hanger-on With a knife he was warned By 5 a.m. just three were left On April Fool's Day morn An English fool, an Irish fool And me, their foolish Yankee host We kissed and cried and swore our love And drank one final toast By 6 a.m., those two passed out On April Fool's Day morn I drove to Santa Monica A girl there got me warm By 10 a.m., I drove back home I rousted out my half-dead friends We said goodbye with downcast eyes So sheepish in the end My mother came out of her room On April Fool's Day morn She spied her sorry breech-born Hungover and forlorn I am too old, too large, too close To crawl up on my mother's knee So eggs and bacon, coffee, toast Were placed in front of me To get what I mean, I've uploaded a low-quality (56bps) mp3 of the song at http://www.msu.edu/~power/loudon.html. As for "Reunion Hill" . . . I'm thankful that it was included on "Courier", regardless of the circumstances. I really liked hearing this very slow version in concert and I'm glad to be able to hear it again this way. Pat ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V4 #336 ***********************************