From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V4 #330 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Wednesday, December 18 2002 Volume 04 : Number 330 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [none] ["sharon g" ] Re: [RS] Re: live and skipping [] [RS] Re: live and skipping [ptpower@juno.com] [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V4 #328 [Gary Martin ] Re: [RS] FW: Wherefore Courier? [Sean La Roche ] [RS] Aw shucks [Kerry Bernard ] Re: [RS] Re: live and skipping [adam plunkett ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:13:33 +0000 From: "sharon g" Subject: [none] i tried to post yesterday and hotmail failed me, I too wanted to respond to patrick on the Out there live project. I think that the record represents alot of things, or can be speculated as such from any perspective, Can i make up for losing money in a variety of ways, sure can it be a review of dar;s catalogue as said by Tom, can it be the 5th record in a 5 record deal -you bet the cd has nothing to do with integration into dar's management, Dar changed managers to AGF. AGF is not her booker, accountant, lawyer, email list or anything other than her manager...There is a staff.. and Lisa has to be commended for the outstanding job she has done keeping the darlist informed on whats going on in dar's career, she keeps changes posted and tour dates. she posts special events and such.. its not daily contact, but its information from AGF.. so i think we need to let the dar changed managers thing go... sharon - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 6:37:03 -0600 From: Subject: Re: [RS] Re: live and skipping I will probably get stones thrown at me by the Darists amongst us, but her live album sounds tired to me. Its interesting that anyone would think that she is 'breaking out in new directions'. To me, and perhaps its because I have seen her live so many times, its more like 'same old, same old'. On the other hand, it is even MORE interesting that Courier would be viewed as mining the same vein. This album IS a revalation to me, despite the fact that I have been fortunate enough to see Richard more than a dozen times in a wide variety of venues. The ONLY thing about Courier that bugs me ever so slightly, is the tendency to turn certain songs into near-country music(i.e. Kenworth). Even that can be refreshing. (my brother who is a country music fool thinks that Richard and his band have a future in top 10 in that genre - eeeek!) Joe > > From: tneff@panix.com > Date: 2002/12/18 Wed AM 12:00:34 CST > To: shindell-list@smoe.org > Subject: [RS] Re: live and skipping > > > This is wrong and unfair and bringeth me out of lurk mode. Well, that and > seeing La Roche post, which is a little bit like watching the tiny Cosmo > twins sing for Mothra, and then the giant eyespotted Gaia-avenging insect > appears and commences screeching white fire towards Gojira. But where was > I. > > In the first place, it is relatively rare for the management company (who > simply represents the performer) to lobby for a live album. That is > usually the idee fixe of the label, who wants to reprise yesterday's hits > with lower production costs. Depending on the terms of the contract (CWH > would know but I anticipate his discretion) a live disc may not even > "count" towards the total albums required. It's a record company thing. > > Secondly, "Out There Live" was neither more nor less carefully planned than > "Courier," and represents neither more nor less honesty in execution. If > I'm in a critical mode I actually consider neither of them to be a > revelation. But listeners seem to like them both a whole bunch, and that > works for me. They are comparable efforts. The only difference I can see > (and I assign no value judgment either way) is that Dar appears poised to > break out in some new directions, while Richard is still mining the > dazzling vein of creativity that's brung him thus far. For both artists, > the live discs represent a snapshot of the work done thus far, and we're > lucky to have them. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:29:49 GMT From: ptpower@juno.com Subject: [RS] Re: live and skipping Joe wrote: >>I will probably get stones thrown at me by the Darists amongst us, but her live album sounds tired to me. Its interesting that anyone would think that she is 'breaking out in new directions'. To me, and perhaps its because I have seen her live so many times, its more like 'same old, same old'.<< My previous post about Dar's "Out There Live" was not intended to ignite a "trash Dar" thread . . . I think the world of her and would drop hard-earned (well, in *my* case, maybe not so hard-earned!) cash to see her *every* time (April 1, 2002 notwithstanding) she comes within an hour-or-so's drive. *My* problem with her album, though, isn't so much the motive (to which I directed my previous post), but that it doesn't seem to represent the "Dar experience" as I have come to know it. Perhaps that's because I saw her for the first time (and *most* times since) without a band. Dar's shows are about intimacy, I think, and while her "The Green World" tour was okay from a musical standpoint, it lacked intimacy; her solo performances at Falcon Ridge have been far more intimate. Once more alluding to my previous post . . . as regards Dar's management, I would be remiss if I didn't concur with Sharon's comments about Lisa at AGF, who has been very responsive and very friendly to me and has been an exemplary liaison to the Dar-List. Pat ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 08:34:45 -0500 From: Gary Martin Subject: [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V4 #328 On 12/18/02 12:33 AM, "Sandra J. Smith" wrote: > Actually, when I was a kid, my best friend's parents used to go into > a stupor every afternoon drinking Pabst. Of course, they split a > case every afternoon, on an empty stomach. ;-) Their problem was that they were dyslexic. They should have spilt a case every afternoon. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 07:25:14 -0700 From: Sean La Roche Subject: Re: [RS] FW: Wherefore Courier? Thanks, Pat, for giving credit to Kerry for her great work. I'm sorry I didn't mention her--just plain being lazy on my part! Sean ptpower@juno.com wrote: > > The esteemed Sean LaRoche wrote: > > >>I'm just delighted to see the old time, famous, been around the block, semi-retired manager responding to stuff on this list. That's the really great thing and I think gives us one piece of why we have a Shindell list--because C. W. Hunter and Carol Young and Ms. O'Brien and everyone involved was serious about sharing their love of Richard's art with the rest of us.<< > > I would like to make note that that the "everyone involved" happens to be Kerry Bernard, whose ardour for keeping people informed is epic; who as Young/Hunter's liaison to the Dar-List (weren't *those* the days!?!), the Shindell-List and the Peter Mulvey list (does Chris Smither have one??) helped set the standard for management/fan relations. > > Pat > p.s. Kudos, too, to Katie Mahoney. > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com - -- Sean La Roche 505/262-2969 New Mexico laroche@swcp.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:02:28 -0500 From: Kerry Bernard Subject: [RS] Aw shucks Thanks, Pat. :) It must be noted, of course, that I learned from the best (nods to Charlie, Carol, Michaela, and the rest) and without their good work, I'd be out of a job. :) >(does Chris Smither have one??) Yup, and it's funny you should ask because I recently had a realization: Peter Mulvey's list is called Deep Blue ( http://www.smoe.org/lists/deep-blue.info ) Chris Smither's list is called Chris Smither Blues ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chrissmitherblues/ ) Jeffrey Foucault's list is called Blue on Blue ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BlueOnBlue/ ) For a fairly well-adjusted bunch, I work with some truly depressing-sounding guys. Happy holidays everyone... Kerry :) Kerry Bernard Young/Hunter Management 350 Mass Ave, #230 Arlington, MA 02474 781.643.2773 ph 781.643.0416 fax http://www.younghunter.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 08:11:45 -0800 (PST) From: adam plunkett Subject: Re: [RS] Re: live and skipping A couple things to say: First, I am not as big a Dar fan as others here. I heard "Iowa" on the radio and bought "Mortal City" but didn't really follow her career. I saw here solo at the Newport Folk Festival this past summer(my first dar live show) and it was great. The intamacy that was mentioned was evident. So I bought the live album and it definitely was a different feel. That is not to say if that is good or bad but I do prefer Richard's, though I am a bigger Shindell fan. On the issue of moving in different directions, I never think of live albums of accomplishing that. I believe that is something you do on studio recordings. Richard changed directions by getting his new band for "Somewhere Near Patterson". I think live albums are usually a nice compilation of an artist singing in a way that their fans love to hear them. I may be wrong about that. - -Adam - --- ptpower@juno.com wrote: > Joe wrote: > > >>I will probably get stones thrown at me by the > Darists amongst us, but her live album sounds tired > to me. Its interesting that anyone would think that > she is 'breaking out in new directions'. To me, and > perhaps its because I have seen her live so many > times, its more like 'same old, same old'.<< > > My previous post about Dar's "Out There Live" was > not intended to ignite a "trash Dar" thread . . . I > think the world of her and would drop hard-earned > (well, in *my* case, maybe not so hard-earned!) cash > to see her *every* time (April 1, 2002 > notwithstanding) she comes within an hour-or-so's > drive. > > *My* problem with her album, though, isn't so much > the motive (to which I directed my previous post), > but that it doesn't seem to represent the "Dar > experience" as I have come to know it. Perhaps > that's because I saw her for the first time (and > *most* times since) without a band. Dar's shows are > about intimacy, I think, and while her "The Green > World" tour was okay from a musical standpoint, it > lacked intimacy; her solo performances at Falcon > Ridge have been far more intimate. > > Once more alluding to my previous post . . . as > regards Dar's management, I would be remiss if I > didn't concur with Sharon's comments about Lisa at > AGF, who has been very responsive and very friendly > to me and has been an exemplary liaison to the > Dar-List. > > > Pat > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V4 #330 ***********************************