From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V4 #328 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Wednesday, December 18 2002 Volume 04 : Number 328 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Our Lives [RockinRonD@aol.com] [RS] FW: Wherefore Courier? [Rongrittz@aol.com] [RS] ADMIN: Posting guidelines. [Rongrittz@aol.com] Re: [RS] FW: Wherefore Courier? [Sean La Roche ] Re: [RS] FW: Wherefore Courier? ["Sandra J. Smith" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:56:07 EST From: RockinRonD@aol.com Subject: [RS] Our Lives There is little doubt that Dar's live album was strictly a money making project. I don't know how anyone else feels, but I always got the idea, right from the start, that the record was slapped together in haste just to get more product out to a market that was beginning to peak with the climax of The Green World tour. I'm not condemning AGF or anything---I hope Dar made a hefty chunk of change on it. God knows the woman deserves it. Courier, on the other hand, is clearly a result of careful planning and thought, and I agree with Mr. Power that Richard used it as a means of gaining control over and benefitting from, the Sparrow's Point songs formerly in the Shanachie domain. In all honesty, as much as I love Dar and always will, I very rarely listen to Out There Live and wasn't too keen on it when I first got it. Courier, on the other hand, stayed in my CD player for months in constant play. In fact, now that this thread has reminded me, I need to hear it again, having forgotten how good it is. Thanks guys. RonD ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:30:34 -0500 From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: [RS] FW: Wherefore Courier? The esteemed Mr. Charlie Hunter muzzily (his word, not mine) asked me to forward this to youse (my word, not his): ________________ Dear Shindellites, I feel like the old coot over in the corner, roused from his Pabst-Blue-Ribbon-induced stupor to comment on some development in the Cubs game. For us, COURIER served multiple purposes. Most importantly, COURIER was a way to give the songs a second life. 1. Richard's audience increased tremendously between REUNION HILL and SOMEWHERE NEAR PATERSON, and we wanted the new audience to be aware of Richard's magnificent earlier work. 2. IMHO, Richard's performance of his material had improved several-fold - certainly since SPARROWS POINT and BLUE DIVIDE were initially released. 3. Richard also felt he had found his musical voice with Lincoln/Denny/John/Lucy/Larry and was eager to revisit some of his older material. 4. While Richard had regained the publishing rights to his material from Shanachie's music-publishing arm early in our management term, releasing a "best-of" live album within the deal we'd structured with Signature was a way to increase Richard's income. After all, Richard owns the master recordings to SNP and CR; he does not for the Shanachie albums. 5. It's a lot easier to maintain inventory of two CDs on the road than it is of four. 6. Why rush writing and recording a new album when you don't have to? Bartender, another Pabst! x - Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:03:15 -0500 From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: [RS] ADMIN: Posting guidelines. Hey, all, quick admin note. As you may have noticed recently, the spam and junk mail our list was getting has, mercifully, dropped off to zero. That's because of an admin tweak we put in that now only allows posts by list members. Previously, anyone with access to the list address could, theoretically, post. And that's where most of our spam was coming from. However, the admin tweak we made is one that requires you to post from the address from which you originally s*bscribed for the list. Meaning that if you s*bscribed from your home address and try to post from your work address, it bounces to me as a "non-member" submission. So, if you want the flexibility of posting from multiple locations, you'll have to s*bscribe from multiple locations. Sorry for any inconvenience, but it's better for all of us in the long run. Heck, the short run, too. Thanks, and happy holidays to all. RG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:41:30 -0700 From: Sean La Roche Subject: Re: [RS] FW: Wherefore Courier? Firstly--nobody--not even the esteemed Mr. Hunter--got into a stupor drinking Pabst Blue Ribbon--Piels maybe, but not Pabst. That's like saying you got into a stupor drinking Rolling Rock. Secondly: I think Mr. Hunter's explanation of how "Courier" came about is simply wonderful. I especially like his statement that two CDS are easier to travel with than four. That seems to be hitting the practical nail on the head, so to speak! Thirdly--and most importantly--I'm just delighted to see the old time, famous, been around the block, semi-retired manager responding to stuff on this list. That's the really great thing and I think gives us one piece of why we have a Shindell list--because C. W. Hunter and Carol Young and Ms. O'Brien and everyone involved was serious about sharing their love of Richard's art with the rest of us. Sean Rongrittz@aol.com wrote: > > The esteemed Mr. Charlie Hunter muzzily (his word, not mine) asked me to forward this to youse (my word, not his): > ________________ > > Dear Shindellites, > > I feel like the old coot over in the corner, roused from his Pabst-Blue-Ribbon-induced stupor to comment on some development in the Cubs game. > > For us, COURIER served multiple purposes. Most importantly, COURIER was a way to give the songs a second life. > > 1. Richard's audience increased tremendously between REUNION HILL and SOMEWHERE NEAR PATERSON, and we wanted the new audience to be aware of Richard's magnificent earlier work. > 2. IMHO, Richard's performance of his material had improved several-fold - certainly since SPARROWS POINT and BLUE DIVIDE were initially released. > 3. Richard also felt he had found his musical voice with Lincoln/Denny/John/Lucy/Larry and was eager to revisit some of his older material. > 4. While Richard had regained the publishing rights to his material from Shanachie's music-publishing arm early in our management term, releasing a "best-of" live album within the deal we'd structured with Signature was a way to increase Richard's income. After all, Richard owns the master recordings to SNP and CR; he does not for the Shanachie albums. > 5. It's a lot easier to maintain inventory of two CDs on the road than it is of four. > 6. Why rush writing and recording a new album when you don't have to? > > Bartender, another Pabst! > x - Charlie - -- Sean La Roche 505/262-2969 New Mexico laroche@swcp.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:57:01 -0800 From: "Sandra J. Smith" Subject: Re: [RS] FW: Wherefore Courier? >Firstly--nobody--not even the esteemed Mr. Hunter--got into a stupor >drinking Pabst Blue Ribbon--Piels maybe, but not Pabst. That's like >saying you got into a stupor drinking Rolling Rock. Actually, when I was a kid, my best friend's parents used to go into a stupor every afternoon drinking Pabst. Of course, they split a case every afternoon, on an empty stomach. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 17:44:46 -0500 From: Norman Johnson Subject: [RS] a Courier by any other name shall deliver the mail I echo the others who expressed thanks to Charlie. Regardless of the reasons that Richard, Charlie and others put out Courier, it worked and one of the reasons it worked so well is because it was not a somewhat disguised recording of the Somewhere Near Paterson tour. Norman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 03:11:11 GMT From: ptpower@juno.com Subject: Re: [RS] FW: Wherefore Courier? The esteemed Sean LaRoche wrote: >>I'm just delighted to see the old time, famous, been around the block, semi-retired manager responding to stuff on this list. That's the really great thing and I think gives us one piece of why we have a Shindell list--because C. W. Hunter and Carol Young and Ms. O'Brien and everyone involved was serious about sharing their love of Richard's art with the rest of us.<< I would like to make note that that the "everyone involved" happens to be Kerry Bernard, whose ardour for keeping people informed is epic; who as Young/Hunter's liaison to the Dar-List (weren't *those* the days!?!), the Shindell-List and the Peter Mulvey list (does Chris Smither have one??) helped set the standard for management/fan relations. Pat p.s. Kudos, too, to Katie Mahoney. ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:33:25 -0800 (PST) From: PETER FREY Subject: [RS] Sparrows Point At the risk of being kicked off the list with my first post, I have a question to ask about "Sparrows Point". I will preface by saying Richard Shindell is one of my favorite songwriters (in company with Richard Thompson, Townes VanZandt, etc...). Sparrow Point has alot of incredible songs (The Courier, On a Sea OF Feur-De-Lis Nora, etc), but I have trouble listening to the CD. To me either the CD I have is defective (which I have already sent one back) or the quality of the master is lacking. It is hard to describe, but it almost sounds as if I am listening to a vinyl, where the record skips ahead a small microsecond. I don't notice this problem on any of the other CD's from Richard Shindell. I don't really know any Richard Shindell fans, so I thought I would post to the list. Peter ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V4 #328 ***********************************