From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V4 #255 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Sunday, September 1 2002 Volume 04 : Number 255 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Undeliverable mail--"document.write(monthName " [postmaster ] [RS] Sister Maria [Roxylee ] [RS] spirituality thought [Jimcolbert@aol.com] [RS] spirit in the sky, er, spirituality from the folkies [RG959@aol.com] Re: [RS] Sister Maria ["Sandra J. Smith" ] Re: [RS] Re: spirituality in music [Lisa Davis & family Subject: [RS] Undeliverable mail--"document.write(monthName " The following mail can't be sent to shindell-list@smoe.org: From: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org To: shindell-list@smoe.org Subject: document.write(monthName The file is the original mail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 07:51:07 -0700 (PDT) From: adam plunkett Subject: Re: [RS] Transit's meaning What exactly is a slant-rhyme? In its most common form, a slant- rhyme shares the same vowel sound but different ending consonant sounds. I have grouped these slant-rhymes (assonant rhymes) by ending family. Generally, you will first want to try to find a perfect rhyme, then rhymes with the same family ending; plosive (b, d, g, k, p, and t), fricative (ch, f, j, s, sh, v, z), or nasal (m, n, ng), and then, any slant-rhyme that works. First you will find the open vowel-sound endings such as "day" or "say"; then the "l" sound such as "fail" and "pail"; then, the r" sound such as "clear"; then the plosive family, "b", "d", hard "g", "k", "p", and "t"; then the fricative family, "ch", "f", "j", "s", "sh", "v"," "z"; and finally, the nasals, "m", "n", and "ng". One syllable, two syllable, and three or more syllable groupings are provided for convenience. When in doubt, just find right vowel sound and then go down the list compiling words that might be useful in your song. I think that finding the word that best expresses the idea of the lyric is more important than finding a perfect rhyme, although its always nice when you can do both. Also, remember it is very important to use a rhyme which doesnt force the singer to place the accent on the wrong syllable of a word. You wouldnt want to rhyme "ring" with "dreaming" for instance. It would be far too distracting. - -from http://lyricpro.com/LyricProSlantRhymes.htm I am the son of english profs so they teach me stuff like that. Basically that is really wordy but it is more subtle than that the usual end line rhyme. The only other good example I can think of is Cheryl Wheeler's "If It Were Up to Me". If you are still confuded, I can get a better definition from one of of my parents. :) I know when I hear its juts hard for me to explain. - -Adam - --- "Sandra J. Smith" wrote: > Adam wrote: > > >And the use of slant ryhme is great.... > > Ummmm, what's a slant rhyme? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 11:05:43 -0400 From: Roxylee Subject: [RS] Sister Maria I've found there is a vast difference between having "religion" and having a relationship with God. Religion is rules, religion is rituals, religion divides people to the point of causing wars. On the other hand, having a relationship with God, who is love, transforms us so we are able to climb out of the rat race mentality. Sister Maria has a relationship with her Savior- she has a living faith which is evident in her actions. She has a true peace that is not shaken by her circumstances. She "walks by faith, not by sight" and unselfishly looks to others needs instead of her own. While the rest of the travelers are "in a dash for position, "Maria is calmly going about doing the Lord's will, which is why she has such peace. Instead of seeing the prisoners as car thieves and crack dealers, mobsters and murderers, she is able to sees them as suffering husbands and sons, fathers and brothers. She knows that they, too, can be forgiven as they pour out their past and receive redemption from their sins. My point in all that was to bring out the difference between religion and relationship. Maria didn't sit in her room, counting off rosary beads. She belongs to God, and her life bears that out in what she does. It is not about her religion, it is about her letting God direct her life. I love this song! It speaks of great hope. If God will forgive and give new life to these hardened criminals, then surely there is hope for me, an average citizen. (And yes, I speak as one who has been redeemed, and this is why this song makes my spirit soar each time I hear it). Peace, Roxy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 11:59:24 EDT From: Jimcolbert@aol.com Subject: [RS] spirituality thought Can I just add... Man, it's good to see a lively thread with some great points of view again here! Been a bit sleepy here as of late! jim colbert ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 13:49:11 EDT From: RG959@aol.com Subject: [RS] spirit in the sky, er, spirituality from the folkies In a message dated 8/30/02 11:59:58 AM Central Daylight Time, owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org writes: << > By the way, I hear "Next Best Western" as being about doubt, and lack of > faith, whether temporary or not. "I wish I could believe" is the > defining line. I also think that as a human being, whether or not > Christian, you can understand where the narrator is coming from. > From my listening point of view, Roxy nailed that one. To me, it's that plea, the longing for understanding and faith that defines the protagonist. He's searching for truth and enlightenment...maybe figuring there is more, but not ready for a leap of faith yet. He might just be dipping his toes over the edge...or just thinking that maybe he should... >> Hi all, My name is Randy. I have been lurking for a few days to get the feel of things. I was discussing this topic with a friend, who turned me on to Richard. I agree with what you two are saying above, and I would further add that the lines "The signal's crystal clear Bit I cannot really hear What he says about, the revelation" Is also to me, a very clear indication of his questions and doubts. Also love Ellis Paul whomever mentioned him. I met him, and chatted with him this spring. What a fantastic writer! Anyways, thought I would introduce myself. Thanks Randy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 15:41:16 -0700 From: "Sandra J. Smith" Subject: Re: [RS] Sister Maria "Sister Maria, her face like a prism for the light of forgiveness on all of their faces . . ." I've found most people interpret this line to mean that the convicts have been forgiven. I interpret it to mean that the convicts themselves possess a spirit of forgiveness. This makes the contrast even more acute between them and the seemingly ordinary people in the earlier verses of the song. It's easy for those of us out in the world with jobs and cars to look at men in prison and think in terms of "us" vs. "them." I think the point of this song is that we should not think in terms of "us vs. them" because it may turn out there's more to the equation than we're willing to imagine. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 23:12:14 -0400 From: Lisa Davis & family Subject: Re: [RS] Re: spirituality in music Elizabeth wrote: > > I feel uncomfortable because Christianity is > such a dominant part of our culture, and so being > reminded of that can create a feeling of > differentness, of being outside of something, > that is not very pleasant. > That is all I ever meant to discuss when I put my original question to Rabbi Lea Gavrieli. ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V4 #255 ***********************************