From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V4 #239 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Friday, August 23 2002 Volume 04 : Number 239 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] courier ["Rabbi Lea Gavrieli" ] Re: [RS] On Your Feet Boys - Gallipoli [Deb Woodell ] Re: [RS] On Your Feet Boys - Gallipoli ["Sandra J. Smith" ] [RS] Upcoming show help [Eric ] Re: [RS] JOINING IN [Steeleye77@cs.com] [RS] string pulled by the sure hand/ Iron Gate ["Norman A. Johnson" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:30:26 -0400 From: "Rabbi Lea Gavrieli" Subject: [RS] courier Hi All, as a clergy person, I'd have to say that I feel a strong sense of identification with 'Courier'. I guess I always figured it was a historical or generic song, which Richard wrote about a person in a sort of situation, but that he has come to identify with it more as the years have passed. 'I am the string pulled by the sure hand, animating what was still', reminds me of precisely who I work for and why 'pass those letters down to this courier, guardian of the word, hand him all you've seen hand him all you've heard, hand him all your pearls...' reminds me of what my job really is about and I do, in fact, take it as a point of honor, to be a courier. (Rabbi) Lea Gavrieli (studied across the street from where RS did for a while, & even had some of his same teachers) - -for those unfamiliar with the upper west side of NYC, Jewish Theological Seminary and Union Theological Seminary are practically across the street from each other, and some of the teachers from each do the occasional course at the other, there is a certain amount of multicultural interdenominational learning going on. lg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:39:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Deb Woodell Subject: Re: [RS] On Your Feet Boys - Gallipoli Bill wrote, > Incidentally The Pogues have a song called "And the > Band Played Waltzing > Matilda" which is > about the ANZACs (Australian and New Zealand Army > Corps) at Gallipoli and is > quite good. As does Eric Bogle, and I think the song is, in fact, his composition. I also quite like TOFOG's (aka Russell Crowe's) "Memorial Day" about a soldier coming home. Deb ===== You can take the rock band away from the girl and think you've tamed her. But, she'll just pick up an acoustic, give you that innocent little girl grin, quietly laugh and say? "Nevah!" Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:13:58 -0700 From: "Sandra J. Smith" Subject: Re: [RS] On Your Feet Boys - Gallipoli The line "on your feet boys, make your peace boys" has always reminded me of the film Gallipoli, too. This discussion has been very illuminating. I'm going to have to listen to the song again tonight in light of all your comments. Thanks to whoever suggested discussing a song a week - I think it was a great idea. - -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:57:36 -0700 From: Lisa Davis & Family Subject: Re: [RS] courier Rabbi Lea Gavrieli wrote: > >Hi All, > > as a clergy person, I'd have to say that I feel a strong sense of This thread has come up before, but how do you as a rabbi feel about all the Christian imagery in Richard's songs? I know he always SAYS it is simply a shorthand, or a source of great stories, and that the spirituality being expressed, or addressed, is much broader, not exclusive, or whatever, but there is just an awful lot that ties in with New Testament. As someone who has precious little "religious" education behind me, sometimes I feel the way I did in college trying to fathom Milton, I just don't "get" various references but sense they are there. At the same time, sometimes when I've given Richard's CDs to Jewish friends I've felt awkward by the quantity of references, on the supposition that they would "get the wrong idea" that these are somehow "christian" songs. Lisa Davis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:08:45 -0700 From: Eric Subject: [RS] Upcoming show help Does anyone out there have a spare pair of tickets to the Sebastopol show this weekend? My wife and I are flying out to the Bay Area, and just happened to notice there was a brief glimmer of hope to see Richard. There never seem to be any Arizona dates on these tour schedules of his. Thanks a ton! - -Eric ps:Welcome to the list, Sean! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:17:55 EDT From: Steeleye77@cs.com Subject: Re: [RS] JOINING IN Hey Sean. You hit the nail on the head. "Beyond The Iron Gate" is also my favorite Richard song. In fact, I've had that song on repeat on several occasions and often for over an hour at a time. I'm surprised that there isn't much discussion about this song, though as you said, it was on Reunion Hill and I may have missed some of the discussions at that time. Anyway, I'm just glad that there is somebody else who feels the same way about this song! I thought I was the only one! Arno ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:09:41 -0400 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: [RS] string pulled by the sure hand/ Iron Gate Lea wrote: >> 'I am the string pulled by the sure hand, animating what was still', reminds me of precisely who I work for and why << That is my favorite line of the song and one of the best RS lines ever. I hadn't thought about the line from a religious/ spiritual point of view before. Thanks Lea. Not to preclude discussions of "...Iron Gate" (or anything else RS) but the song has come up a few times and our discussions of it and everything else can be found in the archives http://grassyhill.org/stax/shindell/ Norman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:18:51 -0400 From: Elwestrand Subject: [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V4 #238 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:06:21 -0600 > From: "Bill Chmelir" > Subject: [RS] On Your Feet Boys - Gallipoli > > Lisa, > You wrote: > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > As for Courier, it just perfectly captures several moments in > time. The line that I love is: > > On your knees boys > Make your peace boys > > It says so much so economically. As a writer I have to bow to > that! > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > The correct line in Courier is: > > "on your FEET boys > make your peace boys" > Yes that was accidental. I know its feet (is my job getting me that down that I made that particular freudian slip? - or maybe I had other things in mind for the boys ;-)! It is the crucial moment before the action. To possibly misquote T.S.Eliot - not gonna go searching to look it up right this sec, "at the still point of the turning world." The moment that hangs in the air and then changes everything. One of many very cool RS lines. Thanks for correcting me. Ok, now go check Eliot's, Four Quartets. :-) Lisa ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:24:06 -0400 From: Elwestrand Subject: [RS] Courier PS The Nields song - "In the Hush before the Heartbreak." Is about the same kind of moment. A moment that holds is breath and then everything changes. In the case of this song its the moment before you get dumped. Not before you have to face the machine guns. It is a bit of an emotional death though. Never thought of these two songs in the same space before, but they have this in common. For those of you who don't know this song. Check it out! Ok chatty Cathy will be quiet for a minute! ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V4 #239 ***********************************