From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V4 #221 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Wednesday, August 7 2002 Volume 04 : Number 221 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Santa Cruz on the 8th [Laurel Rezeau ] Re: [RS] Santa Cruz on the 8th [John Alvord ] Re: [RS] covers [Lisa Davis & family ] [RS] Fwd: [Dave-and-Tracy] Portland OR Memorial / Philly Performance [Pfl] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:26:05 -0700 From: Laurel Rezeau Subject: [RS] Santa Cruz on the 8th Are any listers going to be at the Shindell/Baez concert at the Rio Theater in Santa Cruz CA this Thursday? Let me know privately if you're going and want to try to meet up sometime during the evening. When I first heard about the show, I wasn't going to go because it's such a hassle to get from where I live to Santa Cruz on a week day. Then I decided it was worth the hassle and got tickets with some friends. I'm really looking forward to seeing Richard since I haven't seen him live for quite a while. But I'm especially glad I'm going now because it's likely Joan will talk about Dave Carter and sing The Mountain or other songs of Dave's. - --Laurel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 16:11:11 -0700 From: John Alvord Subject: Re: [RS] Santa Cruz on the 8th Anne and I will be there. I am 50-something, 6 feet tall with white hair and maybe a "As Cool As I Am" tee shirt. john alvord On Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:26:05 -0700, Laurel Rezeau wrote: >Are any listers going to be at the Shindell/Baez concert at the Rio >Theater in Santa Cruz CA this Thursday? Let me know privately if you're >going and want to try to meet up sometime during the evening. > >When I first heard about the show, I wasn't going to go because it's >such a hassle to get from where I live to Santa Cruz on a week day. Then >I decided it was worth the hassle and got tickets with some friends. I'm >really looking forward to seeing Richard since I haven't seen him live >for quite a while. But I'm especially glad I'm going now because it's >likely Joan will talk about Dave Carter and sing The Mountain or other >songs of Dave's. > >--Laurel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 00:22:50 -0400 From: Lisa Davis & family Subject: Re: [RS] covers Restating: Hey, anything that claims to be "folk" music almost by definition has to be willing to be / intended to be shared and re-interpreted. That's the whole idea! That does not of course mean that we the listeners have to like the reinterpretation. (I think I rarely do! can't teach an old dog new tricks........) I took the kids to Coney Island this Sunday with a cousin who lives in Brooklyn. Up and down the boardwalk thronged with sweltering hordes were clusters where karaoke booths had been set up. These were similarly thronged with enthusiastic friends watching these new "standards" being belted out. Down the boardwalk further was a group of Andean musicians playing "El Condor Passa" (is itin fact trad.? my cousin asked -- I assume so) and others, with very few listeners (well of course they included me!) What struck me was that the karaoke had a part of the "folk" experience the Andes music was lacking -- this sense of audience participation, being part of the music, not a separation between performer and listener. A way for Everyman to take ownership of the music and perform, too. Whenever I hear Irish music and sit solemn and stiff in my seat, perhaps tapping a foot, watching politely the jigs and reels, it always seems so *wrong,* that is not what that music was meant to be! Of course I preferred the Andean music and I'd rather have Richard play in utter silence -- dissolving the distance between listener and audience by sheer empathy and absorption. That isn't necessarily any the less folk -- no doubt older audiences listened as raptly to a ballad sung a capella by a lonely singer. I guess my point is that *sharing* is a lot of what the folk music tradition is about. Whether we like the product that results or not, that process, that openness has to be a part of it. Lisa Davis www.sharinglaw.net. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 00:29:51 EDT From: Pfleary@aol.com Subject: [RS] Fwd: [Dave-and-Tracy] Portland OR Memorial / Philly Performance Thought people on this list would want to see this note from Tracy to the Dave and Tracy list. Return-Path: Received: from rly-ye01.mx.aol.com (rly-ye01.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.198]) by air-ye04.mail.aol.com (v87.21) with ESMTP id MAILINYE42-0806220122; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 22:01:22 2000 Received: from n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.83]) by rly-ye01.mx.aol.com (v87.21) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYE11-0806220101; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 22:01:01 -0400 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-2772197-1671-1028685604-pfleary=aol.com@returns .groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2002 02:00:05 -0000 X-Sender: tracy@daveandtracy.com X-Apparently-To: dave-and-tracy@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Aug 2002 02:00:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 48228 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2002 02:00:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2002 02:00:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2002 02:00:04 -0000 Received: from sdn-ap-002watacop0120.dialsprint.net ([63.187.200.120] helo=[63.187.200.30]) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17cG7H-0003Er-00 for dave-and-tracy@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 19:00:03 -0700 X-Sender: tgrammer@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: To: dave-and-tracy@yahoogroups.com From: Tracy Grammer MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Dave-and-Tracy@yahoogroups.com; contact Dave-and-Tracy-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Dave-and-Tracy@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:55:01 -0400 Subject: [Dave-and-Tracy] Portland OR Memorial / Philly Performance Reply-To: Dave-and-Tracy@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear friends, Thank you for the continuous outpouring of well-wishes and light. You can't imagine what a comfort your words have been to me and to Elise and to close friends of Dave who are also on this list. Several of us are working on the Portland memorial. We had a very difficult time locating an appropriate venue on such short notice, and my not being home to scout out the venues didn't help matters any. The memorial is TENTATIVELY scheduled for 6:30 pm Friday, August 16 at Cathedral Park in north Portland. I have to jump through a few more administrative hoops before I can confirm this. Sit tight and I'll be back with an update shortly. I have found that when grief strikes hardest, I can still sing. This is a miracle to me. Singing was always a kind of salve for Dave and me when times were tough. Harmonizing on stage was about a bigger, grander alignment, and it never failed us. That it continues to heal, and keeps him close, well -- what a wonderful gift. Someone asked whether I would perform at the Philadelphia Folk Festival. The answer is yes, I plan to be there for a tribute to Dave, which I believe happens early Saturday evening. At the very least, I will play first and last in the set and other performers will contribute their versions of Dave Carter's songs. I am still in awe of Eddie from Ohio's heartbreaking version of "Farewell to St. Dolores" and Chris Smither's gritty "Crocodile Man." I can't wait to see who does what at Philly. Dave would be so, so proud. In peace, in gratitude: Tracy ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ DAVE CARTER & TRACY GRAMMER http://www.daveandtracy.com - ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Free $5 Love Reading Risk Free! Click Here! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Dave-and-Tracy-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! 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