From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V4 #216 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Sunday, August 4 2002 Volume 04 : Number 216 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Covering Sacred Songs [Elwestrand ] [RS] Re: Covering Sacred Songs [Rongrittz@aol.com] [RS] Covering Sacred Songs ["Norman A. Johnson" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:34:26 -0400 From: Elwestrand Subject: [RS] Covering Sacred Songs I think that there are songs that need to be covered, that bloom when covered. For instance, Calling the Moon. Not, that I don't like Dar's version, but its rather flat, while Richard's is SO passionate. Now I think the flatness was intentional on Dar's part - the moon being cold and distant, but Richard changes the tone and voila! It's amazing. I also think it is great fun to run into a cover that is surprisingly good and incongruous for the artist. Like for instance Oingo Boingo's version of, "I am the Walrus." But more importantly I think that for a song to be a great song. It must have a life of its own, not dependent on the artist who wrote it to come alive. Also, I think that a great song has many lives and can thrive in any genre, like say for instance, Richard's idea that some speed punk band should cover "Are You Happy Now." I think that would be pretty perfect for that genre. As far as D&T go, Tracy has said that what she wants is to make sure that as many people as possible get to know Dave's music. And I think Dave would love the idea of his songs becoming standards. The only way for that to happen is if it becomes part of the folk tradition and is embraced by other artists. I am sure if we could ask him, Dave would want other people to sing his songs. I don't think he would want them to die on the vine. I look forward to hearing his songs become part of the tradition and will enjoy them springing up in obvious and possibly unusual places. They don't "need" to be covered, but they will be, because they are so good. They will have a life of their own. So brace yourself Ron :-)! E ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 16:00:34 EDT From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: Covering Sacred Songs << As far as D&T go, Tracy has said that what she wants is to make sure that as many people as possible get to know Dave's music. And I think Dave would love the idea of his songs becoming standards. The only way for that to happen is if it becomes part of the folk tradition and is embraced by other artists. I am sure if we could ask him, Dave would want other people to sing his songs. I don't think he would want them to die on the vine. >> Hey, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that there's a sanctity to Dave Carter's songs that should preclude them from ever being covered. Particularly now that he's no longer with us, it becomes even more important for people to spread the word. And without covers (thanks to Cry Cry Cry, for example), I'm sure many people would never have heard of more obscure folkies such as Ron Sexsmith, Leslie Smith or James Keelaghan. And I've heard Dave's songs covered just fine. Mark Erelli did a great "Cowboy Singer" at Falcon Ridge, as did Kris Delmhorst on "Fiddler's Rim" and EFO on "Farewell to St. Dolores." Chris Smither did a "Crocodile Man" that I dare say rivaled the original. And last night I saw Darryl Purpose at a house concert (yes, instead of seeing Richard at the Turning Point), and he did a fun "The River, Where She Sleeps" and a powerful "When I Go" (on which he asked me to do harmony . . . woo woo). It's just that there are some songs that are so linked to the soul of the writer that they just ring false and sound wrong in someone else's hands. Like Dar's "After All." And "Kate and the Ghost of Lost Love." RG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 20:47:21 -0400 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: [RS] Covering Sacred Songs RG: >>It's just that there are some songs that are so linked to the soul of the writer that they just ring false and sound wrong in someone else's hands. Like Dar's "After All." And "Kate and the Ghost of Lost Love." << "Kate and the Ghost of Lost Love" and "After All" are both incredibly wonderful songs but I think there is an important difference between them. "After All" is all about Dar. It's her story. She's said it all there. I don't see Dave Carter in "Kate" in the same way that I see Dar in "After All". "Kate and the Ghost of Lost Love", like several of Dave's songs appear timeless or better said- from another time. Norman ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V4 #216 ***********************************