From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V4 #98 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Tuesday, March 19 2002 Volume 04 : Number 098 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Re: Fogelberg and Spray Cheese [Tom926@aol.com] [RS] Re: SOTW [Tom926@aol.com] Re: [RS] "Angel From Montgomery" [patrick t power ] [RS] Re: cover supreme [Tom926@aol.com] [RS] Re: Where have all the singer-songwriters gone? [Tom Neff ] Re: [RS] Re: May [Lisa Davis & family ] Re: [RS] RS vs Britney Spears [Lisa Davis & family ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:18:30 EST From: Tom926@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: Fogelberg and Spray Cheese Well, don't we all have a soft spot for cheese that would ordinarily make us cringe but we secretly adore. A partial list for me would include: Fogelberg's Nether Land album Paper Lace--The Night Chicago Died Charlene (I think that was her name)--Never Been to Me (it's that kraft macaroni monologue in the middle--"Tonight you'll hold that little baby in your arms, that's Lurve, I mean loof, I mean oh you know what I mean") anything by the Patridge Family Henry Gross--Shannon Terry Jacks--Seasons in the Sun and that's just a partial 70s list. Waaaaayyyyyy partial. Listen, Richard will NEVER approach the levels of mindless (yes, let's emphasize that word shall we?) fan worship of a Brittany Spears. Quality, alas, almost never does. But a good deal of cheese holds up surprisingly well down the road. I don't think BS will, but I am sure you intelligent folks can come up with your own "brie v spray cheese" list. Tom PS Thanks all for the emails and suggestions about the guitars. I have been away but will be answering them shortly. Special note to JC--it really is a pleasure to have met you. Get yer butt to NYC. Bring the girlfriend too. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:20:20 EST From: Tom926@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: SOTW Can we do "Confession" next since I don't recall that ever being a SOTW? Please, oh pretty please with processed sugar on top? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:27:16 -0500 From: patrick t power Subject: Re: [RS] "Angel From Montgomery" Rachael Davis . . . who *lists* John Prine's "Angel From Montgomery" as one of her favorites. Pat . ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:25:52 EST From: Tom926@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: cover supreme One cover version that is way better than the original: Maura O'Connell's version of Mary Chapin Carpenter's "It Don't Bring You." I am chatty tonight so I will leave it at that before I outwear my welcome. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:37:25 -0500 From: Tom Neff Subject: [RS] Re: Where have all the singer-songwriters gone? One thing that's happened is that the "pop charts" are now split up into a lot of sub-charts, some of which are much more welcoming to singer-songwriters than others. If you look at the acts that are actually on top of today's charts (Modern Rock, Hot 100 etc), a clear majority of them write their own material either as bands or as solo singer-songwriters. Another thing that's happened is that the healing power of memory has conveniently cleaned up most of the ways the "good old folks" didn't fit our image. Most of the groups and singers listed below had at least one major hit that was a cover. Some of them started out writing for other people. Finally, those of us who were around when a previous generation of musicians wrote their lyrical masterpieces sometimes find ourselves having difficulty recognizing today's generation doing the same thing. Probably in 2032 there'll be 3-D hyperdimensional listserv threads going back and forth between the Earth and Mars folk music clubs, asking what ever happened to the good old days of Nelly Furtado and Beck and Jewel and Moby. >>> Maybe. But (and I'm showing my age here) I remember when the pop charts >>> were > filled with the Beatles, and the Rolling Stones and Eric Clapton, And > Crosby Stills Nash & Young, and The Byrds, Simon & Garfunkel, Fleetwood > Mac, Joni Mitchell, etc., etc. AT any rate, what I was wondering about > was how the group feels about all this. << > > Go back into the archive. I know that some of us (including me) have said > essentially the same thing. > > How is it that Jackson Browne and Paul Simon and the others you list could > write lyrical masterpieces and yet sell millions of records at the same > time? > > That combination appears to be getting rarer. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:12:47 -0500 From: Howie Subject: Re: [RS] Re: May At 06:55 PM 3/18/2002, Laura (non Irish) wrote: >Why is booth objectionable? Is it maybe like hoods and bonnets (England >vs. U.S.) Do share. Here in the US we have the phone booth. In the UK they have the phone box. Or so they tell me (they being the two people still talking to me at all without the use of attorneys). - -Howie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:18:54 -0500 From: Lisa Davis & family Subject: Re: [RS] Re: May That's it. Richard tells of some party-pooper (probably a long-lost relative of mine) coming up to him after the show and pointing out that in Ireland (or the UK) they don't have "phone booths." boxes. For that matter there aren't many boxes now either. The other story I particularly remember is him talking about "Things that I have seen," which was his Gulf War anti-war song (that long ago???) and how he had thought at last as a rite of folk passage he'd written an anti-war song, and some other wet blanket coming up to say "it isn't anti-war ENOUGH." Lisa LBECKLAW@aol.com wrote: > > Why is booth objectionable? Is it maybe like hoods and bonnets (England vs. U.S.) Do share. > > Laura (non Irish) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:22:18 -0500 From: Lisa Davis & family Subject: Re: [RS] RS vs Britney Spears Frankly, as a mother of a 12-year-old, my only requirement for Britney is that she is not the Spice Girls. Works for me!!!!! As for refinement, the same 8-year-old who still enjoys the occasional "poop" joke seems to like "Confession." And no, he doesn't think it's "Hey, Duck." Perhaps if Richard got the same airplay as Britney even my Annie would be interested. Not sure. He doesn't have the right pitch for her to sing to. Possibly that's Britney's biggest selling point. (That may also be why I prefer alto women singers to sopranos!) Elwestrand wrote: > > Well I can be a "music snob" at times, but I have to say there > is nothing wrong with BS or Madonna. In fact there are a couple > Madonna songs, both dance songs and serious songs, which I will > love forever, period. Sometimes its just fun to just dance > around. If you have forgotten that, please revisit your high- > school music collection. There is room for both types of music. > Even RS wrote Lazy. > > But instead of feeling snobby we should feel extremely > fortunate that we have had the education and opportunity to > refine our musical tastes to the point where someone like RS > appeals. He will simply never appeal to the mass audience. I > mean they might like "Kenworth" or "The Weather." But most of > RS's songs are subtle and subtle takes refinement. Refinement > requires education and that is something this country has > failed at recently. > > I bet if you were to poll the relative IQ (or less politically > incorrect measure) and level of education, this group would > rate pretty high. It's sad that more people don't seek out RS, > but the masses don't have what it takes to "get" Richard, that > should upset us more than Britney. > > E > > Silly topic: Is Madonna's, "Like a Prayer" an influence on > RS's, "Fleur de Lys?" Compare and contrast. Feel free to > include Madonna's video and aborted Pepsi commercial. > > ________________________________________________ > Get your own "800" number > Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more > http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 07:03:19 +0100 From: Katrin.Uhl@t-online.de (Katrin Uhl) Subject: RE: [RS] better than the original > Laura wrote: > > >> Can anyone think of a song written and performed by one singer, > but that is better when sung by another? (as in better than > the original > version)? << The Ocean, written by Dar Williams, sung by Peter Mulvey. Joan Baez' version of Jesse, written by Janis Ian. Mostly any Dylan song sung by somebody other than Dylan. Richard's version of Calling the moon. Katrin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 01:18:19 -0500 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: [RS] better than the original Katrin- I disagree about "Calling the Moon" BUT >>The Ocean, written by Dar Williams, sung by Peter Mulvey.<< I saw Peter and Dar do "The Ocean" together-- trading verses with Pete on guitar. Peter's version is incredible. Norman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:31:56 -0800 From: "Sandra J. Smith" Subject: [RS] Re: is it just me? Oh, no - but now I will! Anyone else have this experience: You're driving along, listening to Reunion Hill, you get to the last verse, look up, and there's a red-tailed hawk soaring above your car? It's scary how often this happens. Sandy >In a message dated 3/18/2002 2:08:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, >owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org writes: > > >> I came home as the sun went down >> One eye trained upon the ground >> Even now I find their things >> Glasses coins and golden rings > > > Does anyone else think of 9/11 and Ground Zero when they hear this now? > Laura - -- ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V4 #98 **********************************