From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V4 #92 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Monday, March 18 2002 Volume 04 : Number 092 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] SOTW [jim colbert ] Re: [RS] SOTW [Scribbling Woman ] Re: Re: [RS] SOTW [Elwestrand ] RE: [RS] Re: it's quiet out there! ["alan.teather" ] [RS] RS vs Britney Spears ["Andrew Bonime" ] Re: [RS] RS vs Britney Spears [Scribbling Woman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:14:18 -0500 From: jim colbert Subject: [RS] SOTW Man, it's quiet here... too quiet. Anyone up for a SOTW to get things moving a little bit? just an idea, anyway. Geez, I can't believe richard is touring this heavily and we're so dormant. Jim Colbert State College PA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 05:24:09 -0800 (PST) From: Scribbling Woman Subject: Re: [RS] SOTW Depends. Are there any fat grams or federal statutes involved? Hoping I'm asking on behalf of others who are clueless, SW jim colbert wrote: Man, it's quiet here... too quiet. Anyone up for a SOTW to get things moving a little bit? just an idea, anyway. Geez, I can't believe richard is touring this heavily and we're so dormant. Jim Colbert State College PA Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:03:08 -0500 From: Elwestrand Subject: Re: Re: [RS] SOTW - ---- On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Scribbling Woman (scribbling_woman2002@yahoo.com) wrote: > Depends. Are there any fat grams or federal statutes involved? Only if we do "Fishing". Involving of course the INS (federal statute) and fish (possibly an oily one). I like the above question though. Could come in handy in many situations. E SOTW - Song of the Week wherein we discuss a song, any song by Richard. How's about a newer lister pick one that puzzles them? ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:29:16 -0000 From: "alan.teather" Subject: RE: [RS] Re: it's quiet out there! Very Good, Alan Who do you know who would like some extra income now the credit cards are biting? Have them email me for details. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Howie Sent: 18 March 2002 01:29 To: shindell-list@smoe.org Subject: Re: [RS] Re: it's quiet out there! Well, to fill some of the quiet times, there's this: >LOOK REALLY CLOSELY AND TAKE YOUR TIME. IT'S WORTH IT!!! > > > > > Look at the picture below and tell me what if anything is wrong. It > > took me a few minutes to figure it out. > > > > http://home.attbi.com/~n9ivo/whatswrong.swf - -Howie - -- ________________________________________________________________________ Life is not orderly. No matter how we try to make Howie Lyhte life so, right in the middle of it we die, lose a howie@pobox.com leg, fall in love, drop a jar of applesauce. -Natalie Goldberg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:40:34 -0000 From: "alan.teather" Subject: RE: Re: [RS] SOTW Here goes then.....SOTW, Reunion Hill. Also Richard is not touring this side of the pond weather it is heavy or not ;-)~ Alan Who do you know who would like some extra income now the credit cards are biting? Have them email me for details. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Elwestrand Sent: 18 March 2002 17:03 To: Scribbling Woman Subject: Re: Re: [RS] SOTW - ---- On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Scribbling Woman (scribbling_woman2002@yahoo.com) wrote: > Depends. Are there any fat grams or federal statutes involved? Only if we do "Fishing". Involving of course the INS (federal statute) and fish (possibly an oily one). I like the above question though. Could come in handy in many situations. E SOTW - Song of the Week wherein we discuss a song, any song by Richard. How's about a newer lister pick one that puzzles them? ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:45:57 -0500 From: "Andrew Bonime" Subject: [RS] RS vs Britney Spears Maybe this will get the group talking: I was wondering how the group feels about the relative level of RS fame vs. say that of Britney Spears. I'm not being crude here, I have two possible points of view: 1) We are happy that at RS' level of fame, we can fairly easily get tickets and we can see him perform in relatively intimate settings. He can writer and record under circumstances conducive to his art without the machine of a major touring and recording commitments. but, 2) What do we think of a world that responds to acts like Britney Spears on such a monumental level that knows little if anything about RS (or his talented associates like Lucy and Dar)? I sometimes wonder. BTW, this is not in any way a comment on RS' management. It is rather a comment on the music business and public taste. What does the group think? Andy ======================= Andrew Bonime andrew@bonime.com www.bonime.com www.cloudshine.com www.chudfacts.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:08:52 -0800 (PST) From: Scribbling Woman Subject: Re: [RS] RS vs Britney Spears Since my "nickname" here makes reference to an issue similar in theme*, I'll jump in here. I wonder if your question equates fame with success. I would argue that fame is a goal and if it is the goal of both, than BS (um, that's Britney Spears) would appear to have achieved a higher level of "success." I understand that there is "business" in the music business, and that a certain level of record sales is important, but in terms of "music," RS et. al are far more successful to me at this stage of the game. Perhaps I'd have thunk differently about twenty years ago. *In the mid-1800's, Nathaniel Hawthorne couldn't sell his work, and in a letter to his publisher, complained about the "damned mob of scribbling women" who were enjoying great monetary success with their domestic fiction. Andrew Bonime wrote: Maybe this will get the group talking: I was wondering how the group feels about the relative level of RS fame vs. say that of Britney Spears. I'm not being crude here, I have two possible points of view: 1) We are happy that at RS' level of fame, we can fairly easily get tickets and we can see him perform in relatively intimate settings. He can writer and record under circumstances conducive to his art without the machine of a major touring and recording commitments. but, 2) What do we think of a world that responds to acts like Britney Spears on such a monumental level that knows little if anything about RS (or his talented associates like Lucy and Dar)? I sometimes wonder. BTW, this is not in any way a comment on RS' management. It is rather a comment on the music business and public taste. What does the group think? Andy ======================= Andrew Bonime andrew@bonime.com www.bonime.com www.cloudshine.com www.chudfacts.com Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:21:01 -0500 From: "Andrew Bonime" Subject: Re: [RS] RS vs Britney Spears Good points. To clarify, my question was not about quality, or about relative merit. It was simply about recognition as is evidenced by sales, concert bookings, and general interest in the press. There is something to be said for the isolated artist whose talent transcends popularity. We all know stories of artists who died penniless until one day the word caught up with their talent. What I am asking here is simply whether anyone feels a frustration that we have this gem of a talent that only we seem to know about (granted the "We" is no small thing, but compared to the popularity of the aforementioned BS, it is miniscule). What I want to know is whether this frustration exists or are we all pretty happy with the way things are. Best, Andy - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scribbling Woman" To: Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [RS] RS vs Britney Spears > Since my "nickname" here makes reference to an issue similar in theme*, I'll jump in here. > I wonder if your question equates fame with success. I would argue that fame is a goal and if it is the goal of both, than BS (um, that's Britney Spears) would appear to have achieved a higher level of "success." > I understand that there is "business" in the music business, and that a certain level of record sales is important, but in terms of "music," RS et. al are far more successful to me at this stage of the game. Perhaps I'd have thunk differently about twenty years ago. > > *In the mid-1800's, Nathaniel Hawthorne couldn't sell his work, and in a letter to his publisher, complained about the "damned mob of scribbling women" who were enjoying great monetary success with their domestic fiction. > > > Andrew Bonime wrote: Maybe this will get the group talking: > > I was wondering how the group feels about the relative level of RS fame vs. > say that of Britney Spears. I'm not being crude here, I have two possible > points of view: > > 1) We are happy that at RS' level of fame, we can fairly easily get tickets > and we can see him perform in relatively intimate settings. He can writer and > record under circumstances conducive to his art without the machine of a major > touring and recording commitments. but, > 2) What do we think of a world that responds to acts like Britney Spears on > such a monumental level that knows little if anything about RS (or his > talented associates like Lucy and Dar)? I sometimes wonder. > > BTW, this is not in any way a comment on RS' management. It is rather a > comment on the music business and public taste. > > What does the group think? > > Andy > ======================= > Andrew Bonime > andrew@bonime.com > www.bonime.com > www.cloudshine.com > www.chudfacts.com > Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V4 #92 **********************************