From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V4 #63 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Wednesday, February 20 2002 Volume 04 : Number 063 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Etiquette 101 [Katie Mahoney ] [RS] "Courier" ["Phil Garner" ] [RS] Folk Intimacy [RockinRonD@aol.com] Re: [RS] "Courier" [Joe Lanzalotto ] Re: [RS] Re: sounds from the crowd [Joe Lanzalotto ] Re: [RS] Re: sounds from the crowd [Lisa Davis & family ] Re: Re: [RS] Folk Intimacy [Elwestrand ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:28:26 -0500 From: Katie Mahoney Subject: [RS] Etiquette 101 You wanna talk about proper concert behavior, eh? *I'll* give you some proper concert behavior! . . . When attending a Richard Shindell show, DO NOT a.) sit behind me and b.) become intoxicated, so that you c.) talk and laugh VERY LOUDLY d.) for most of "Reunion Hill." If you do, I will become e.) extremely angry and f.) repeatedly glare at you which means g.) EXCUSE ME DRUNK PEOPLE BEHIND ME BUT SOME OF US ARE TRYING TO ENJOY THIS SONG. By complying with these simple guidelines, you can insure a pleasant show for everyone, particularly me :-) I agree with most everyone else who was at the Iron Horse that it was pretty ridiculous and inconsiderate of that woman to ask the spirituality question the way she did - by yelling "Excuse me" until she got his attention, leaning over the balcony, and demanding in front of everybody that he "please expound" - but he was incredibly gracious about it (a friend who had never seen him before was highly impressed about how well he'd handled it) and there was no harm done. Six more days until Richard and Joan and Dave and Tracy!!!!!!!!! a.k.a. the Best. Show. EVER. Wahoo! I can't wait. Ciao! Katie ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:53:27 -0500 From: "Phil Garner" Subject: [RS] "Courier" Phil Garner here, coming out of my lurking mode Has anyone else noticed the heavy "stuffy nose"-like sound on several of the tracks on the new live CD? I noticed it at once the first time I played "Courier", then played my old CDs to see if I'd missed it on them and found I had not. Was Richard ill during the recording of some of the live tracks, or has he adopted a "new sound" or perhaps been striken with a chronic sinus condition? Having heard the studio CDs innumerably I find the "stuffy" sound quite distracting. Best regards, Phil Garner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:05:40 EST From: RockinRonD@aol.com Subject: [RS] Folk Intimacy While I'm not necessarily a mainstay at post-show meet-and-greets, nor a participant in dialogues with artists while on-stage, I would remind those that criticize these goings-on that they would not happen unless the artists wanted them to happen. No one strong-arms Richard, Dar or Lucy (or anyone else) to come out and meet and greet their fans (internet list members or not) after a show--they do this of their own accord. Obviously, by personally signing CD's they can sell more product. But I think it goes beyond that. I've no doubt that these artists genuinely ENJOY the more intimate relationships many of them have with their fans. I KNOW this is true for Dar. She's like a Universal Godmother to so many young girls who aspire to be like her. The special relationship Dar has with her fans is part of what makes Dar so wonderful. It's even fun to stand by and watch how she hugs those she recognizes and remembers names so well. She loves chatting with her fans as much as she enjoys playing for them. In my view, it's part of the show and every bit as entertaining as watching and listening to her on stage. Don't tell ME I should just be satisfied with the music and that's all. I've watched Dar and others at too many meet and greets post show to know that they truly enjoy the adoration and personal relationships they have garnered over the years. It's a beautiful thing...why disparage such a rare show of kindness and generosity in an otherwise cruel and self-involved world? And yes, I count myself among those who got to know Dar's parents. They're both wonderful people, who truly enjoy hearing nice things said about their daughter. What's wrong with that? It's the intimacy of folk music that makes it special IMO. RonD ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 21:46:52 -0800 From: Joe Lanzalotto Subject: Re: [RS] "Courier" Must be the Lucy influence (chuckle!) Joe Phil Garner wrote: > Phil Garner here, coming out of my lurking mode > > Has anyone else noticed the heavy "stuffy nose"-like > sound on several of the tracks on the new live CD? I > noticed it at once the first time I played "Courier", > then played my old CDs to see if I'd missed it on them > and found I had not. Was Richard ill during the > recording of some of the live tracks, or has he > adopted a "new sound" or perhaps been striken with a > chronic sinus condition? Having heard the studio CDs > innumerably I find the "stuffy" sound quite > distracting. > > Best regards, > Phil Garner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 21:53:55 -0800 From: Joe Lanzalotto Subject: Re: [RS] Re: sounds from the crowd Rongrittz@aol.com wrote: > Something about pots who live in glass houses shouldn't throw black kettles > or something like that. > > RG Its one thing to have a discussion on an internet group like this one and quite another to decide to onfringe on everyone else's time at a show. Very different animls. This group and others like it, doesn't force its way into the show that the artist is working to put on and that others have paid to hear/see. As faras the meet and greets after/before, that's up to the artist. If they want to do them, great, if not, as long as I got a good show, I never feel cheated. Dar seems very comfortable with it all, Richard less so. He's never been a warm and fuzzy guy when I have been around him. He's cordial but has a little edge to him, which is probably of the things that makes him a great writer...that edge. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 00:39:15 -0500 From: Lisa Davis & family Subject: Re: [RS] Re: sounds from the crowd BTW there have been "pop" stars for over a century -- it's not new to "rock" music or folk or anything else. It is especially a function of the media, however, and I don't mean TV, I mean, RECORDING, the ability to have the illusion of intimacy, a private serenade in your own living room. No doubt PhDs have already written on this. lisa davis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 00:45:59 -0500 From: Lisa Davis & family Subject: Re: [RS] Folk Intimacy And another thing. Why do these discussion always get so preachy? I do understand about an obnoxious person in the audience, although someone talking or buying dessert during "sea of fleur de lys" is just as awful. But on teh subject of private lives/public lives, nonsense. We can ask. We can wonder. If they don't want to answer, they don't have to. Same as in regular life. Or, you can take the Richard approach favored by a childhood hero of mine, if it's none of our business, he doesnt' have any obligation to be truthful, and can make it up different every night! However, I for one would rather get a personal connection with the students in a class I teach, or my clients, or a colleague at a seminar, than just have them listen reverently and leave. The trouble for musicians is that it can be all too much, and that just means try and be sensitive to the signals. lisa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 12:04:11 -0500 From: Elwestrand Subject: Re: Re: [RS] Folk Intimacy Lisa wrote: The trouble > for musicians is that it can be all too much, and that just means try > and be sensitive to the signals. I so agree with that. Approach carefully and assess the performers mood. Sometimes RS is a "chatty Cathy" and other times - nothing but semi-polite one word answers. I have also noticed that some performers - Dar especially - really have anxiety before the show, but are generally friendly after. We are all privelidged to be fans of a group of musicians we can have intimate experiences with. We have to try not to scare them away. Especially the C3 trio who are all on the verge of being - due to venue size - out of our reach. E Who is going to try really hard not to say anything dumb to RS in May. ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V4 #63 **********************************