From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V3 #481 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Friday, December 28 2001 Volume 03 : Number 481 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [RS] cddb song and track identification [Jeff Gilson ] Re: [RS] cddb song and track identification [Reinhard Liess ] [RS] from across the pond [jim colbert ] [RS] And the standout song is ... [Lee Wessman ] [RS] Re: CDDB [Tom Neff ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 15:29:00 -0500 From: Jeff Gilson Subject: Re: [RS] cddb song and track identification At 14:53 12/28/2001 -0500, you wrote: >...case in point of what I was talking about, on the signature sounds >sampler: All track >titles are correct, times are okay- second or two off on some according to >the jacket- but >each individual track at quick glance lists Carter & Grammer as the >artists (actually, if >you let it scroll at the top, it simply lists every artist on the disc.) >So if you didn't >know who was singing what, it wouldn't be of much help. > >On the other hand, if you're at this point you have the disc and only have >to eject it to >see, so it's no real issue, just an annoyance to me. > >Now my question would be is this information being manually entered by >hand at "cddb >central," or is the information it reads encoded as part of the song track >itself, like >the way you can do manual track naming on some home cd burning software...? CDDB info is entered in by CDDB users, who then send that info to the main CDDB server. If information is incorrect, a CDDB CD player should be able to edit the information. I say should because each program is written differently, and some are better than others. jeff. - -- Love, here's a place and here's a name Love, she will hold you in her arms and show you who you are --Richard Shindell - -- writing by osmosis http://www.onefreeradical.com/osmosis/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 20:38:55 From: "Adam Bailey" Subject: Re: [RS] Oh, Saaaaaaannn-dyyy my favorite line in that song is where shindell sings: "switch blade lovers" just something about the way he sings it, especially the last word. >From: "Vanessa C. Wills" >Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org >To: Richard Shindell Discussion List >Subject: [RS] Oh, Saaaaaaannn-dyyy >Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 15:21:56 -0500 (EST) > >Alright, folks. Here comes some of that unstinting praise we were talking >about a while back. >IMHO, Sandy is hands-down the stand out track of "Courier." There are lots >of reasons for this, but to me, the most important one is the very thing >that can make live albums substantively different from studio-recorded >discs. You can hear oodles and oodles of simple, unbounded joy of >performing >for an audience. It's obvious how much fun Richard was having singing >Sandy. >Lucy's harmony's are _perfect_--she's there doing her own thing but never >being obtrusive. She's the perfect counterbalance here. It just sounds >like a big ol' party. >So what you're not gonna hear from me right now is a lot of "well, I like >the finger-picking after the third verse about two measures before the >chorus." I like the joy. The joy. :-) > >Peace, Love, and Mischief, >Vanessa > >P.S. Sandy brings out everything spectacular about Richard's singing. :-) > >"I am a citizen of the moment. I have built my white picket fence around >the now." > --The Tick _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 21:48:27 +0100 From: Reinhard Liess Subject: Re: [RS] cddb song and track identification At 14:53 28.12.2001 -0500, Jim Colbert wrote: >Now my question would be is this information being manually entered by >hand at "cddb >central," or is the information it reads encoded as part of the song track >itself, like >the way you can do manual track naming on some home cd burning software...? AFAIK cddb only analyzes the unique audio-cd identifier and look it up in the database. Everybody can make submissions (complete or corrections - once I submitted a whole album) to this database (using a compliant application that supports submitting to cddb). That's why the submissions aren't always error-free;-) Here's the FAQ: http://www.gracenote.com/FAQs.html/faqset=what/page=all Since I started this cddb thing I hope I haven't confused anybody to much... Reinhard (still waiting for this wonderfully palindromic new year;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 15:48:21 -0500 From: jim colbert Subject: [RS] and then she went on to fame in grease > Alright, folks. Here comes some of that unstinting praise we were talking > about a while back. > IMHO, Sandy is hands-down the stand out track of "Courier." Whereas to me, it sometimes makes me want to listen to Bruce instead. (Not that I skip the track; I do enjoy the song, although like I said, I'd lose it for Sonora in a heartbeat.) But you're right, when they played it live they did seem to be having a great deal of fun with it. And they plain and simple nailed it. It's kind of interesting to me that richard does that sort of "sing just a little bit behind the beat" thing with his phrasing, and I think that because of that, the fact that he was literally reading the lyrics at times while singing it is pretty much unnoticeable. It is a beautiful song to harmonize on imho- someone mentioned the hollies version of, and that was the first version I had ever heard. (Although I expected so much more from the Ben E.King version a few years back!) Ciao and happy new year's, all! jpc soon to be heading west on I-80 into the snow ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 15:56:44 EST From: Tom926@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: Kiddie Book Hi Jim: The book is by William Steig, I C D B. See what having a new nephew does for you? Tom PS A happy and healthy new year to all. Thanks for a most entertaining year of postings. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 15:57:29 -0500 From: jim colbert Subject: [RS] speaking of which > So what you're not gonna hear from me right now is a lot of "well, I like > the finger-picking after the third verse about two measures before the > chorus." And speaking of which... I've been listening to a slew of live rs tracks this afternoon, both courier and sonora, as well as a disc with some of the fast folk and live stuff on it as well as the three songs from acoustic cafe back when reunion hill was just out. Sometimes you get caught up in the lyrics or the songs as a whole or their deeper meangings or whatever...but just in case anyone forgot... My God, this man has some beautiful runs, embellishments and accompaniments on guitar. At least in my opinion. jpc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 16:24:05 -0500 From: jim colbert Subject: [RS] from across the pond > Hi folks, > > Just to say hi to you people of good taste. I look forward to many a good > chat / posting with you all. > > Take care, > > Alan Teather in a VERY windy Hartlepool on the North east coast of England > Well, since no one else said it yet...welcome, Alan! Have you had a chance to get a copy of Courier yet? In spite of our fanatical rants, ravings, nit-picking, personal likes and dislikes, I believe it's one of the best live albums I've ever owned. Absolutely essential. Just let us know if there's any "americanisms" you need deciphered or explained like, er, kicking over porta cans at 4H rodeos or smashing jack o'lanterns or why we don't put the letter "u" in color... What else you listening to over in the Lande of Kate Rusby, anyone we should know about? Jim Colbert State College/Bellefonte, PA USA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:28:06 -0800 From: Lee Wessman Subject: [RS] And the standout song is ... I played Courier the other night with about 25 people crammed into my house for Christmas. Few were familiar with Richard. The track that caused somebody to say, "Hey, who is this?" was "Fishing." I'll tell ya, I've always thought that was an astounding song, from the first time I heard it performed. And now, on the live album, it really pops out. If "Sandy" is full of joy, then Fishing is full of ... well ... full of that menacing double entendre that Richard wrote into it. Another quick observation: Richard sure has great diction when he sings. There is not a word on this album that can't easily be understood. He cracks those consonants, as the choir teachers say. Rather essential, for a story teller. - -lee ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 16:57:45 -0500 From: Tom Neff Subject: [RS] Re: CDDB As others have mentioned, the CDDB is an online database containing artist, title and genre information for thousands of compact discs. All sorts of CD-playing software knows how to access it so that when you play a "known" album, the songs and performers are displayed on your computer. CDDB was around for several years as open-source software, and was originally created by the cooperative effort of thousands of ordinary listeners painstakingly inputting the info for CD's they played. So we were kind of p***ed off when CDDB renamed itself Gracenote, "went corporate," filed patents, closed off access to the software, and asserted intellectual property rights over everything. A truly open competitor, FreeDB, has been growing steadily since this happened, and several good programs (like Roxio) use it instead. Mistakes do occur in CDDB/FreeDB listings since they're entered by humans, but you can submit corrections (at least you can in FreeDB, it's gotten very murky at Gracenote) and they will eventually supersede. I get a raft of folk submissions at http://radio.grassyhill.org and I always enter them into the database, it's fun. ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V3 #481 ***********************************