From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V3 #441 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Friday, December 7 2001 Volume 03 : Number 441 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [RS] Re: great songwriters [Loracevoll@aol.com] Re: [RS] No Dissent, and my top 10 [Loracevoll@aol.com] Re: [RS] No Dissent, and my top 10 [Loracevoll@aol.com] Re: [RS] Re: Favorite Christmas Albums [Steeleye77@cs.com] RE: [RS] My Top Ten [kartalst ] Re: [RS] Re: great songwriters [Lisa Davis & family ] [RS] he's making a list, checking it twice... [Pfleary@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 23:03:08 EST From: Loracevoll@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Re: great songwriters > From: LBECKLAW@aol.com > The trouble is, the Great Books list excluded a lot of > women, not to mention other ethnic groups outside of Dead White Males. So a > whole mishigoss ensued...and as far as I know is still ensuing. It's > endlessly interesting to me. > Lisa, I had a professor sorta explain this in college. For all the wrong reasons, women and minorities voices weren't even heard until the 20th Century. That gave the Anglo guys a real head start. You have centuries of genius to cull from that group, and only one century to look to women and other minorities. Actually, believe it or not, even Southern white males weren't really even heard from until Faulkner and Twain. If you weren't from the Ivy halls, you weren't really heard from. I always find myself with men topping my singer/songwriter list and I hate that -- but it is what it is. There are women who's music has spoken to me (like Dar) but for now, it seems to be mostly men. And to hook this back to something on list topic -- I always stand amazed that one of the songs that most accurately captures my feelings about childbirth and new motherhood (Castaway) was written my RS -- a MAN. Pretty amazing. I feel he does an excellent job of speaking to the experience of both genders and possibly to varying ethnic backgrounds too. ............Carol The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams. ~~ Eleanor Roosevelt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 23:07:25 EST From: Loracevoll@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] No Dissent, and my top 10 > From: "Gene Frey" > > Hey you guys, > > Vanessa yelled: > > >>I hate anthrax. << > > Perhaps the first, and last, opinion ever expressed on this list that will > meet with no dissent whatsoever. Dammit, Gene.... You beat me to the punchline on that one. :-) ............Carol (who isn't even in favor of Anthrax the band....but is there really a folk/slash metal crossover??) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 23:10:41 EST From: Loracevoll@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] No Dissent, and my top 10 Gene (not Glen) said: > If Jackson Browne's only 'influence' was in co-writing 'Take It Easy,' well, > that's more than enough. His role, however small, in perpetrating The Eagles > on the planet makes him the Pandora of pop music. Hmm, I think I actually appreciate JB more for helping get Warren Zevon out there for us. He's standing the test of time a little more than the Eagles for yours truly, but that's not to say that Mr. Henley, Mr. Frey & Co. didn't let loose a few really tight tunes...... ............Carol The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams. ~~ Eleanor Roosevelt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 23:31:53 EST From: Steeleye77@cs.com Subject: Re: [RS] Re: Favorite Christmas Albums OK, here's my 10 favorites in this category: Christmas Eve & Other Stories - Trans-Siberian Orchestra A Holiday Celebration - Peter Paul & Mary White Christmas - Bing Crosby James Galway's Christmas Carol Drive The Cold Winter Away - Horslips Beach Boys Christmas Album Noel - Joan Baez The Christmas Shoes - Newsong Clancy Brothers Christmas Album Light Of The Stable - Emmylou Harris Arno ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 23:00:49 -0500 From: kartalst Subject: RE: [RS] My Top Ten MY top ten, in no particular order: Bob Dylan Tom Waits Nick Drake Richard Shindell Lucinda Williams Richard Thompson Gram Parsons Prince Lucy Kaplansky whoever writes the bulk of the songs for the group PULP (is it the lead singer? I forget right now...) So yeah, that's the 10 I could come up with at this moment... Stephanie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 23:44:09 -0500 From: Lisa Davis & family Subject: Re: [RS] Re: great songwriters (1) LBECKLAW is Laura (right?) not me, Lisa (2) while generally I am not a big "politically correct" person and for that matter tend to prefer MALE singers to female if I were to line them up (probably related to the reason why men like to look at women :)), and don't think ethnicity is a criteria for quality (3) the original question was "influential" and that has to take into account sheer numbers -- it didn't ask 'best" did it? and (4) on the politically correct front, Jeez, while of course the culture was male-dominated at least in the area of published works, in every epoch there have been women out there too, from Sappho to Lillian Labi in 16th century France, Mary Wollstonecraft, Mary shelley, ... I'd know more except I never took 'women's studies" and those are just a few random names! Loracevoll@aol.com wrote: > > > From: LBECKLAW@aol.com > > > Lisa, > > I had a professor sorta explain this in college. For all the wrong reasons, > women and minorities voices weren't even heard until the 20th Century. That > gave the Anglo guys a real head start. You have centuries of genius to cull > from that group, and only one century to look to women and other minorities. > > Actually, believe it or not, even Southern white males weren't really even ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 02:09:12 EST From: NHEMSRN@aol.com Subject: [RS] Courier Wow. polished, adventurous, retrospective and projecting at the same time, timeless, and HONEST. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 02:18:23 EST From: NHEMSRN@aol.com Subject: [RS] :-) Courier Still basking.... nice to see Ron and other listers get a mention in the liner notes. Profound appreciation to all involved in the project. Jim (remembering first seeing Richard live 92 or 93? and most recently this fall - and thinking of the profound impact the music has had on me. I never tire of sharing RS with novitiates, and explaining how the music challenges me......) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 02:22:24 -0500 From: Vanessa Christina Wills Subject: Re: [RS] Courier oh, hush. :-P - --green-eyed monster NHEMSRN@aol.com wrote: >Wow. > >polished, adventurous, retrospective and projecting at the same time, >timeless, and HONEST. > >Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 02:41:31 EST From: Pfleary@aol.com Subject: [RS] he's making a list, checking it twice... I'm getting so confused. Is it supposed to be top ten personal or top ten influential? It seems to be both! I initially agreed with Pat's list but continue to see other names popping up that I really like and/or were influential. I have such a hard time narrowing lists of superlative down to one, ten, even one hundred, and I can imagine Ron out there gnashing his teeth as I list twenty-three individuals as my favorite singer-songwriter of all time! Glad to see Vermont get mentioned in the excellent bread category. Out here in the Bay area there are scores of excellent breads to be had, but Gayle's Bakery in Capitola stands head and shoulders above them all. They also make an excellent ollalieberry pie that shouldn't be missed. And for the sake of Richard content, I ordered Courier last night and am now wishing that I had done so on day one. Peter "this life is a thump ripe melon- so sweet and such a mess" Greg Brown, Rexroth's Daughter ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V3 #441 ***********************************