From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V3 #417 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Tuesday, November 27 2001 Volume 03 : Number 417 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Re: I am..wondering what the lurkers think... [Rongrittz@aol.com] [RS] where's ghandi when you need him? [jim colbert ] [RS] I Amn't heard it [Roxylee ] [RS] I Am, You Are, She Is... [RockinRonD@aol.com] [RS] I am.. corrected (geez, you gotta at least love the song title for being so easily adaptable!) [jim co] Re: [RS] "I Am" a human being........................... ["Lisa Davis & F] [RS] "Perfect Albums" ["Lisa Davis & Family" ] [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V3 #416 ["Arthur Wood" > I'm obviously clearly outnumbered in liking the tune << I'm not sure where you're getting that impression, Jim, but are you forgetting all the people who wrote about how moved they were, how brought to tears they were, when they first heard the song? Yeah, Vanessa and Lisa say it's not Richard's best work . . . but I can't think of ANYONE who has said they actually DISLIKE the song. RG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:45:58 -0800 From: jim colbert Subject: [RS] where's ghandi when you need him? Uh, just a quick thought- Sometimes it's not the opposing viewpoint that irritates, alienates or pushes people's buttons, it's the way opinions are stated or expressed that does it. Tone and attitude can have a lot to do with it... We needn't always agree, in fact we shouldn't always agree- we're all free-thinking, and from what I've seen most of you folks are fairly intelligent individuals with a great depth of musical knowledge... but we should always have respect for other opinions when stating our own. And I'm not saying we usually don't- just it's something to think about. i am...jim state college pa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:53:10 -0700 From: "Bill Chmelir" Subject: [RS] "I Am" Flap Maybe Richard is saving the missing lines from "I Am" for release on his next studio album so that there will be two versions of the song floating about when the second is released. That would get us all extra excited for a new album, wouldn't it? Bill - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.282 / Virus Database: 150 - Release Date: 9/25/2001 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:58:11 -0500 From: Roxylee Subject: [RS] I Amn't heard it jpc asks: So, what do some of you "non-frequent posters" think of I am? just curious... I haven't heard it yet. (grinning, ducking and running) Roxy, also recovering from pie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:03:58 EST From: RockinRonD@aol.com Subject: [RS] I Am, You Are, She Is... Like the song "I Am" or not, each of us has the right to express our opinion without being taken to task for doing so. And if this List isn't the proper forum for critical analysis of Richard's work, then what is? Mr. Wood is a respected writer...I just think he let his emotions run away from him a tad and posted before thinking through what he was about to say. Conversely, I don't think he was singling out Vanessa in particular as a target for his vitriol. It's just that Ms. Wills may have been the more outspoken List member with regard to "I Am" not quite being up to the Richard Shindell standard, and so became Wood's object of scorn. For what it's worth, I think Vanessa, as always, posted a very thoughtful and probably accurate critique of the song and how it relates and fares with the rest of the Shindell catalogue. And, my dear woman, you don't have to prove or demonstrate to us that you're a Shindell fan...we know you too well to ever think anything else. And please don't stop freely sharing your thoughts on the man's work. I, for one, am always interested in what you have to say, good or bad. ReasoningRon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:14:41 -0800 From: jim colbert Subject: [RS] I am.. corrected (geez, you gotta at least love the song title for being so easily adaptable!) >> I'm obviously clearly outnumbered in liking the tune << (and ron said) I'm not sure where you're getting that impression, Jim, (etc.) but I can't think of ANYONE who has said they actually DISLIKE the song. Good point, Mister G! In my haste, I sort of morphed the opinion that had been expressed that the song is not up to his standards (which still seems to be the consensus) with not liking it, and that is not the same thing at all. I actually can't think of a richard song I don't like, come to think of it. (Although there are indeed ones I skip over with regularity.) I guess I just get the feeling quite a few folks were disappointed in the song, y'know? Anyway, I stand corrected. jpc with a still quite high opinion of the song, btw... but with a definite preference toward the solo version with all the verses. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:14:54 -0800 From: "Lisa Davis & Family" Subject: Re: [RS] "I Am" a human being........................... >Arthur Wood wrote: > >>I'm getting a little tired of the griping over the quality of "I Am." Hey people, as I sometimes have occasion to say to touchy souls around me, "criticism is not rejection." Anyone whose been here for a while should know that I have long considered myself Richard's #1 fan (although there are certainly others who would now hold that title too!) having followed him "from way back when" in 1992 he didn't even have an album out. I proselytize every chance I get, I put my money where my mouth is, too, and have exported Shindell worldwide! :) However, I also think criticism is healthy and that someone as intelligent and professional as Richard will value our honest responses to his work and will value even more our unstinting praise when we give it. Finally, none of us can say our appraisals are "Right," we can only convey our own response, and those who know the writer's usual perspective can get information from that - -- I find I tend to agree with Vanessa so I am inclined to listen to her! (On Richard anyway, I reserve judgment on lots of the others stuff you listen to!) Lisa - -------------------------------------------------------------- CNM Network Internet Services Connect... Get More... Pay less... 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Long Distance - Telephony - Dial-Up - Web Hosting - Co-Location http://www.cnmnetwork.com - 1-800-953-5556 - -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:08:49 -0000 From: "Arthur Wood" Subject: [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V3 #416 Quite purely and simply, I am pissed off, because the reason why that song was written seems not to be even a consideration in some recent postings. Think about it. I've got nothing more to say on this matter. Best Wishes, Arthur Wood. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:26:00 -0500 From: "Gene Frey" Subject: [RS] I am...not going to use 'I am' in my subject line Hey you guys, The view from atop the fence... I have downloaded 'I Am,' and I must admit that the full version, performed live in the warm, intimate setting of the Blixt Cabin is a far more moving experience than the shortened version on a burned CD alone in my car. I just have a feeling that this song may not wear as well as some others. That said, I get the feeling that some people think that because a song is 'about' an important topic that it is somehow automatically blessed with an artistic quality of some sort. The quality of a song and the gravity of it's subject often have little to do with one another. I am sure that Richard poured his heart into 'I Am,' but that alone is no reason for anyone to like or dislike the song. I am not discounting the part that true inspiration has to do with the creation of a great song. It may be there, or it may not. A lot of great songs have been written about the most trivial of subjects (think early Beatles). And, a lot of dreck has been written about important topics (Insert your choice here - I'm not getting suckered into that game). Besides, this has always been a place where people can express their opinion, popular or not, and not get shouted down. Unless, of course, they are being shouted down about not shouting down others. That's o.k., I guess. Gene F. (who, if he got pissed at people about their musical tastes, would never speak to his 'NSync-loving daughter) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V3 #417 ***********************************