From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V3 #369 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Thursday, October 18 2001 Volume 03 : Number 369 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Window Open Wide... [RockinRonD@aol.com] [RS] Re: Borges, Scottish Tragedy, By Now [Tom926@aol.com] [RS] Re: Borges, Scottish Tragedy, By Now [Rongrittz@aol.com] [RS] Cabin Fever ["Gene Frey" ] [RS] Re: Ha ha ha, ho ho ho (and a couple of la di das) [LBECKLAW@aol.com] [RS] Re: A tradition lives on [LBECKLAW@aol.com] [RS] Re: Miles to go [LBECKLAW@aol.com] [RS] and the story continues [Katrin.Uhl@t-online.de (Katrin Uhl)] [RS] OWENY MEANY ["Norman A. Johnson" ] [RS] broken scottish legs [Elwestrand ] Re: [RS] broken scottish legs [Elwestrand ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 08:57:11 EDT From: RockinRonD@aol.com Subject: [RS] Window Open Wide... In a message dated 10/17/2001 11:19:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Lisa writes: > >>Ok, I am perfectly able to accept the idea that "By Now" is and was > intended to be a dark and sinister song about the prelude to a horrible > crime. HOWEVER, people, you have to admit that it *could* be read > otherwise, no? << OMIGOD! Wellness walks among us! A sane mind slithers about! Egad! RDG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:48:16 EDT From: Tom926@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: Borges, Scottish Tragedy, By Now Hi Shelley: Yes, can you post all of the Borges poem? I think it is really interesting. I would love to read the whole of it. I didn't know about the "Hamlet" curse. I did know about the Scottish Tragedy curse. I am going to check this out with a friend of mine who is a theater director and see what he says. One of the marks of a great piece of writing is that is lends itself to multiple readings of its meanings. Which is one reason why "By Now" is such a great piece of writing--because that dark meaning reveals itself slowly. It reminds me, in one sense, of the shower scene in "Psycho"--never do you actually see the knife stab Janet Leigh. The editing, the camera angles, and particularly the music do the first half of the work. The other half of the work is what makes it so horrifying: you have to piece it together and imagine what happened. Nothing like imagination is there, especially when the reader/watcher/listener has to do the imagining. Just my thoughts. Fascinating discussion. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:55:20 EDT From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: Borges, Scottish Tragedy, By Now >> The other half of the work is what makes it so horrifying << After this discussion, I swear to God, if Richard plays "By Now" at the cabin concert on Sunday, I'm gonna cover my eyes. RG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 10:17:38 -0400 From: "Gene Frey" Subject: [RS] Cabin Fever Hey you guys, Ron G. wrote: >>After this discussion, I swear to God, if Richard plays "By Now" at the >>cabin concert on Sunday, I'm gonna cover my eyes. << How cool would this be? Second show, closing encore, just before we all put on out coats and go out into the New Jersey darkness. Mwahaha. By the way, anybody need a ride home.....? Gene F. (who couldn't be the guy in By Now - he NEVER lets anyone else pick the radio station) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 10:47:02 EDT From: LBECKLAW@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: Ha ha ha, ho ho ho (and a couple of la di das) Lee, I loved your Wizard of Oz story! True? LOL, and it reminded me at once of the Christmas pageant scene in the book Owen Meany (John Irving). Maybe even better, since you trumped with the peanut butter ploy. Must be truth to the legend, then. I always thought it was the phrase "break a leg" but I haven't done community theatre since the 6th grade production of West Side Story, in which I was Anybody's, a Jets wannabe. Speaking of British men of letters (e.g. Shakespeare), last night I was reading a poem to my kids at bedtime, and guess what line jumped out from "The Tyger" by William Blake? These: "Did He smile His work to see? Did He who made the lamb make thee?" He (RS)is everywhere, even in the late 18th century. Next, I'm expecting to hear Next Best Western as Muzak at the supermarket...don't laugh, I did hear Sting's Desert Rose the other day, in aisle 5. Nearly dropped my Ritz Bits. Laura, still Laughing at the Trouble ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 10:52:05 EDT From: LBECKLAW@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: A tradition lives on In a message dated 10/17/2001 7:47:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org writes: << Is Highlights still being published? >> Yes it is, although there's stiff competition now from BMX Kids, Sports Illustrated Kids, American Girl, Sesame Street, Barbie,Ladybug, and countless other kidzines. Goofus and Gallant are still alive and well, as are The Timbertoe family and the hidden picture game. Vanessa, given your revealed age, I'd say you are still well within the "demo" for most of these. I'm not, but I still look forward to those doctor office visits so I can read Highlights. Laura P.S. I never liked Gallant, and I had a crush on Goofus. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 10:57:03 EDT From: LBECKLAW@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: Miles to go In a message dated 10/17/2001 11:19:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org writes: << Laura....it was about Miles Davis :-) >> Mark, Do you know the exact quote? Think it fits Richard to a t. Thanks for clarifying, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 19:40:01 +0200 From: Katrin.Uhl@t-online.de (Katrin Uhl) Subject: [RS] and the story continues fellow friends of Mary Ann, Just recently a scrap of paper was found blowing alongside a cold, New England roadside. It reads the following: Well, alright Mary Anne Here we pull in at your mother's And as I wave goodbye You step inside the door. I think it's time for me To go and get some therapy And rid me of these thoughts So they don't haunt me any more. By now... Katrin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 13:46:30 -0400 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: [RS] OWENY MEANY Laura wrote: >> LOL, and it reminded me at once of the Christmas pageant scene in the book Owen Meany (John Irving). << Oh my! Another John Irving fan!!! I LOVED the Christmas scene but my favorite was what they did to the headminister's car. >>Speaking of British men of letters (e.g. Shakespeare), last night I was reading a poem to my kids at bedtime, and guess what line jumped out from "The Tyger" by William Blake? These: "Did He smile His work to see? Did He who made the lamb make thee?" << YES!! Speaking of Blake, has anyone heard Greg Brown's CD where he reads from "Songs of Innocence" and "Songs of Experience"? Norman ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 15:35:24 -0400 From: Elwestrand Subject: [RS] broken scottish legs Ok people "The Scottish Play" refers to Macbeth - you know the play about SCOTLAND! There is a long history of things going awry with productions of this play. And not just constipated dogs, dead people. Orson Welles loved the bad energy around this play and decided to just revel in it. So he put on a stylized production and had African Drummers brought in to play scary drums in the background. It was alleged at the time that they were also practioners of voodoo. Just to add some additional meaning to the "bubble, bubble, boil and trouble" bit. Anyways, it was supposed to be a very intense and scary version and one critic didn't like it. Naturally he dropped dead of mysterious causes immediately. So in a theatre you are never to say "macbeth." You are also not supposed to wish an actor "good luck." This is supposedly the kiss of death. Instead you are supposed to wish they "break a leg." This is somehow better. As for you innocents out there, well I used to be one of you. Do to my own personal trauma I used my well honed disassociative skills to just ignore the song all together. Until I got on this list and was forced to see it for what it was. I think the fact that it, on the surface, could be benevolent is what makes it powerful. But sadly the song builds toward something, which we aren't privy too. There is a missing verse here - a deliberately, ominously missing verse - and then the narrator returns to the road. And repeating the "is that you Mary Ann?" seems to me to be about him finding the next girl to victimize. I doubt that the earthshattering event the song moves toward is dropping Mary Ann safe and sound at her parents home and stopping to have a cup of cocoa with her folks. I mean come on. Would our Richard write a song about nothing? If you accept the benevolent version of this song, than this song is about nothing. I can't believe I am still talking about "that song." E Who is estactic to have the new Dar, Lucy and Kris D in her CD changer! ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 15:56:14 -0400 From: Elwestrand Subject: Re: [RS] broken scottish legs Here's one more funny tidbit from the web I found on a brief search: Witch-Hunt Mounted To Tackle Macbeth Jinx 8-16-1 EDINBURGH (Reuters) - A British medium launched an international hunt for witches in a bid to contact the ancient Scottish king Macbeth and lift the jinx which is said to overhang Shakespeare's gory tragedy. `I'm looking for two witches, but preferably not from Britain -- they've got to have an open mind,'' Kevin Carlyon, high priest of the 1,600 strong coven of British white witches, told Reuters. ``We are going to try and get in touch with the spirit of the real Macbeth to find out whether he is anything to do with the weird things which tend to happen with this play,'' he said. Famous for his murderous scheming and paranoid dementia, the 11th century Highland monarch is believed by some scholars to have been no worse than any other medieval king, and his image suffered unfairly at the hands of the English playwright. Superstitious actors regularly refer to the bloody drama by its subtitle --``The Scottish Play'' -- for fear the curse of Macbeth will bring their production bad luck. Carlyon and his two assistants will head to Cawdor, Macbeth's windswept seat in the heart of the Scottish Highlands, and try to pacify the possibly disgruntled spirit around the time of the full moon in early September. They will then hitch up their witches' robes and speed southwards to the bard's birthplace at Stratford-on-Avon in England and repeat the process. "If we manage to contact Shakespeare, we'll also ask him where he got the idea for the three witches from in his play,'' Carlyon said Wednesday. ``I'm very positive that we'll get some success, but I will need some help-- raising spirits from the dead is not my specialist field.'' ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V3 #369 ***********************************