From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V3 #358 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Tuesday, October 16 2001 Volume 03 : Number 358 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] ah, the joys of digest version ( i love typography!) [jim colbert ] Re: [RS] ah, the joys of digest version ( i love typography!) [Elwestrand] [RS] In Which We Serif ... ["Dave McKay" ] [RS] There's a new serif in town. [Rongrittz@aol.com] Re: [RS] Al vs Richard [Lisa Davis & family ] Re: [RS] Re: "ai" vs. Richard [Lisa Davis & family Subject: [RS] ah, the joys of digest version ( i love typography!) > >> Damn those sans-serif fonts! :-) << > > No, if it HAS the little doo-hickeys hanging on, it's considered a serif font, which is what's making the "L" look like a "One." San-serif ("without doo-hickey") would have made it clearer that the word was "Al." > Gosh darn it, here I am on digest version just when my vocation ( I'm an art director) and ensuing knowledgable-sounding response coulda made me appear reasonably intelligent... jpc going to see stone poets, drive by truckers and BR549 tonight. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 17:22:15 -0700 From: jim colbert Subject: [RS] darn it, garnet > Paul, I'd start with _Speaking Softly in the Dark,_ and after that, > the self titled _Garnet Rogers._ Admittedly, I don't have all his > albums, but I do have 4 and these two would be the best intros, in my > opinion. I have 6 of Garnet's discs - I don't have sparrow's wing or night drive- and I find the Outside Track to be my favorite all around, but it was also the first one I owned so that flavors the stew a bit. I didn't enjoy the live one as much as I had thought I would, which was odd, because it was his live set that brought him to my attention as more than just Stan's brother. He abso-freakin-lutely kicked ass at the philly folk festival, must have been 86 or 87...? I am completely enamored of the lyrics of the title track of At a High Window, in fact I stole the phrase sins of my silence for the title of a play, but overall this one didn't do a lot for me. But I still wouldn't sell it... a row of small trees is also a pretty darn good song. jpc taking the northwest passage home to bellefonte in five minutes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 17:36:09 -0400 From: Elwestrand Subject: Re: [RS] ah, the joys of digest version ( i love typography!) Hey Jim- There is a relatively painless solution to this problem. Set up a web based e-mail - i.e.- not your work address and sign up for the full monty ;-). It is more fun this way. I use ureach which I like because there is almost zero spam and no advertisements once you are in your box. I don't know how they do it, but its impressive. I am guessing that eventually I will have to pay for it, but when that time comes I will. E ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag - ---- On Mon, 15 Oct 2001, jim colbert (jcolb@barashgroup.com) wrote: > > >> Damn those sans-serif fonts! :-) << > > > > No, if it HAS the little doo-hickeys hanging on, it's considered a > serif font, which is what's making the "L" look like a "One." San-serif > ("without doo-hickey") would have made it clearer that the word was > "Al." > > > > Gosh darn it, here I am on digest version just when my vocation ( I'm an > art director) and ensuing knowledgable-sounding response coulda made me > appear reasonably intelligent... > > jpc > > going to see stone poets, drive by truckers and BR549 tonight. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 22:54:40 +0100 From: "Dave McKay" Subject: [RS] In Which We Serif ... Ron G "corrected": > No, if it HAS the little doo-hickeys hanging on, it's considered a serif > font, which is what's making the "L" look like a "One." San-serif > ("without doo-hickey") would have made it clearer that the word was "Al." I stand by my damnation of sans-serif fonts ... they make a lower case "l" (ell) and an upper case "I" (aye) pretty much indistinguishable! Nary a doo-hickey between them! He was also: > doing his best Tom Neff imitation. Come back and say that when Richard's website hasn't been updated in a year ... ;-) Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 19:05:04 EDT From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: [RS] There's a new serif in town. OK, I was advised of the following in an email today: >> To do the Neff right, you have to either include at least two URLs or one URL and use the word "meta". << Point taken. And so . . . "I meta on a Sunday and my heart stood still Da doo run run run, da doo run run . . ." RG http://members.aol.com/rongrittz/page/chords.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 21:12:06 -0400 From: Lisa Davis & family Subject: Re: [RS] Al vs Richard "Norman A. Johnson" wrote: > > Lisa wrote: > > >> e, I know you are or have been on the Al Stewart list and sometime I'd > like to hear your comparative remarks about the way Al and richard > approach history. Oddly enough, post-September 11th I've felt more > inclined to listen to Al than Richard, which is out of step with the > last 9 years! << > > Why? What is it about Al Stewart's work that has attracted you since then? Well as you may or may not know, many of Al Stewart's songs are about *history.* whereas Richard tends to tell the story in the "micro" version, the courier in the trench, the widow on the hill, etc., al's songs look down from on high, more so that is. even when the song contains the kind of everyday detail we expect from Ricahrd's songs, there is always a self-conscious context out there. I suppose not unlike the last line of "shades of grey" where the reference is to "late April, '95." You know the Al Stewart song is going to say something about most often a famous historical figure. There are exceptions of course and I counsel any of you young folk out there to run and listen to "Roads to Moscow," which IMHO is perhaps Al's absolute best song, at least the best historical one. (I think I passed a "modern history" exam just from teh recitation of the towns through which Hitler retreated, but it is still something of the "micro" view.) ANYWAY, the point is, in these recent times, I am not quite up to living inside the heads of the characters that have endured them. "You stay here" is entirely too close for comfort. I feel inclined to sit on a distant star and look down upon earth. I guess I'm talking about distance. There has been so much pain lately that it's only distance and dispassion that can give you repose. That, or learning how to play the flute possibly... well? lisa davis ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 21:18:35 -0400 From: Lisa Davis & family Subject: Re: [RS] Re: "ai" vs. Richard Elwestrand wrote: > P.S. - I have never been on the Al List. Never heard good things > about it. You may read on my own very very brief Al page (sharinglaw.net/personal/music/al.htm) that I cannot agree more!!! Be warned, anyone!! Long ago, mind you -- 1994-1996 perhaps.... met my best friend there.. etc... I go on and off and on and off and usually off again in great disgust. I always laugh when this list gets ever so slightly irritable -- you folks have no IDEA the venom that can spill from some people!!! And WHY E does Al seem to attract such a vast number of what i will loosely and perhaps unjustly describe as "right-wing fascists"? :) :) :) whereas our Dear Richard... I agree entirely with your comparison/description. I tend to prefer Richard's "small picture" generally. But not on september 11th. Wonder what Richard thinks about this sort of thing. However, about Richard's comment: I don't think we can EVER take his off-hand dismissive remarks very seriously. I simply do NOT believe that his same response about religion is completley accurate. If anything I observe Richard's passion being about the Quest for Meaning. Perhaps now he's less interested in questing after it himself as about observing others who do so. Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 02:08:00 -0400 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: [RS] Al and Richard (or "I shot the serif") Well, I see that Al Stewart has a song called "The Ballad of Mary Foster". rylibweb.man.ac.uk/data1/sy/jch/alwords/als18.htm The only songs I've heard by AS are "Time Passages" and "Year of the Cat".... which might be like basing judgements on Richard based on AYHN and Kenworth. So Lisa and E., which Al(bum) would you recommend? Norman ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V3 #358 ***********************************