From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V3 #313 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Friday, September 21 2001 Volume 03 : Number 313 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] towne crier - left one out ["Thomas D. Havard" ] [RS] Re: stan rogers? [Kerry Bernard ] [RS] on rogers [jim colbert ] [RS] covers vs. originals, in a steel cage! no holds barred! [jim colbert] [RS] and you to whom adversity... [jim colbert ] Re: [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V3 #311 [FJPQ@aol.com] [RS] Stan Rogers [Phueber@aol.com] [RS] Re: and you to whom adversity... [Rongrittz@aol.com] [RS] Re: appropriate RS [LBECKLAW@aol.com] Re: [RS] RS: At The Towne Crier [Vanessa Wills ] [RS] Re: sporting a beard!? [LBECKLAW@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 10:01:46 -0400 From: "Thomas D. Havard" Subject: [RS] towne crier - left one out I just realized I left out another song from Richard's set list last night. He did his new song, "love.." or whatever it's called, on acoustic guitar with the band. Excellent. - Tom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 07:08:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Deb Woodell Subject: Re: [RS] A Beard?? Kristen wrote: > Oy...a beard?? What is up with all the men that I > think are good looking > going and getting damn beards. Ahhhh....shave people > shave!!! Please??? What is it, especially, with the goatees/VanDykes? It almost seems mandatory in professional sports. Deb ===== You can take the rock band away from the girl and think you've tamed her. But, she'll just pick up an acoustic, give you that innocent little girl grin, quietly laugh and say? "Nevah!" __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 10:16:20 -0400 From: Kerry Bernard Subject: [RS] Re: stan rogers? Jim asked: >Anyone @ the town crier show know for sure what this was? While I wasn't at the show, and haven't spoken with Richard, I know he was working on The Mary Ellen Carter. Kerry ================================================= Kerry Bernard kerry@younghunter.com Young/Hunter Management 781.643.2773 (ph) 350 Mass Ave, #230 781.643.0416 (fax) Arlington, MA 02474 http://www.younghunter.com ================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 10:18:42 -0700 From: jim colbert Subject: [RS] on rogers > The Stan Rogers song was about raising a ship again, called the Mary > Elizabeth > Carter, or something like that. Mary Ellen Carter, then... rise again, rise again, that her name not be lost to the knowledge of men... good tune. jpc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 10:37:18 -0700 From: jim colbert Subject: [RS] covers vs. originals, in a steel cage! no holds barred! > I'm only speaking for myself here (ok, I've seen him over 40 times, but who's counting?) but I can live without hearing "Summer Wind, Cotton Dress" or "Fishing" or "Transit" or "The Next Best Western" for a while. And for those of you who can't, they'll all be on the live CD. I have no problems with covers, especially since some of my favorite songs he regularly does live ARE covers, but some of us have only seen him a few times live and do want to hear some of the songs y'all may be getting tired of. I do appreciate, too, that from a performer's point of view rs needs to keep it interesting and fun for himself, and that these are unusual times. I have no problem with the cover-to-original ratio right now at all though. Like I said, though, sounds like we should be getting this unique opportunity on tape! I do sincerely hope he's still doing some of these at the Cabin concert next month. (Personally, I just think he's teasing Gene by dipping his foot in Simon waters but not doing Duncan!) > > > Additionally, maybe immersing himself in the music he loves will also inspire him to do some writing, too. > That would definately be a good thing. Has he abandoned the new song you guys were talking about a while back already? Not hideous grin, the newer one. jpc ...with a beard since the 80's, shaved periodically...but never accused of being good looking anyway! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:00:27 -0700 From: jim colbert Subject: [RS] and you to whom adversity... For those that don't know the song richard is singing, this is the mary ellen carter by the late Stan Rogers: - -jpc She went down last October in a pouring driving rain The skipper he'd been drinking, and the mate he felt no pain Too close to Three Mile Rock and she was dealt her mortal blow And the Mary Ellen Carter settled low There was just us five aboard her when she finally was awash We worked like hell to save her, all heedless of the cost And the groan she gave as she went down it caused us to proclaim That the Mary Ellen Carter would rise a-gain Well the owners wrote her off, not a nickel would they spend She gave twenty years of service, boys, then met her sorry end But insurance paid the loss to us, so let her rest below Then they laughed at us and said we had to go But we talked of her all winter, some days around the clock She's worth a quarter million floating at the dock And with every jar that hit the bar, we swore we would re-main And make the Mary Ellen Carter rise again CHORUS: Rise again, rise again That her name not be lost to the knowledge of men All those who loved her best and were with her 'til the end Will make the Mary Ellen Carter rise again All spring now, we've been with her, on a barge lent by a friend Three dives a day in a hardhat suit, and twice I've had the bends Thank God, it's only sixty feet and the currents here are slow Or I'd never have the strength to go be-low But we've patched her rents, stopped her vents, dogged hatch and porthole down Put cables to her, 'fore and aft, and girded her a-round To-morrow noon, we hit the air and then take up the strain And make the Mary Ellen Carter rise a-gain For we couldn't leave her there, you see, to crumble into scale She'd saved our lives so many times, living through the gale And the laughing, drunken rats who left her to a sorry grave They won't be laughing in another day And you, to whom adversity has dealt the final blow With smiling bastards lying to you everywhere you go Turn to, and put out all your strength of arm and heart and brain And like the Mary Ellen Carter, rise again final chorus: Rise again, rise again Though your heart it be broken and life about to end No matter what you've lost, be it a home, a love, a friend Like the Mary Ellen Carter, rise a-gain - -stan rogers ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:02:26 EDT From: FJPQ@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V3 #311 Isabel wrote: << This beard thing must be some type of virus. >> personally speaking...I like that scruffy look...I have this picture in my mind that Richard must look like a tug boat Captain I met in another life.. he'll be all set to convincingly sing those sea chanteys! ;) Fran non-facial-hair-phobe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:19:49 EDT From: Phueber@aol.com Subject: [RS] Stan Rogers The Stan Rogers song sounds like it may have been The Mary Ellen Carter. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:23:20 EDT From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: and you to whom adversity... >> But we've patched her rents, stopped her vents, dogged hatch and porthole down Put cables to her, 'fore and aft, and girded her a-round To-morrow noon, we hit the air and then take up the strain And make the Mary Ellen Carter rise a-gain << Sounds like "Kenworth of my Dreams" on a boat . . . RG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 12:19:01 EDT From: LBECKLAW@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: appropriate RS I have to fall in with Lisa in the pig-headed category--as if 90% of Richard's songs are not so very relevant and appropriate, not to mention comforting and sustaining, for these times! I didn't know Tune for Nowhere was about Bosnia--you all are so very above and beyond me in the RS minutiae. Anyway, for starters: how about You Stay Here, My Love Will Follow You (okay, not penned by RS, but still...), Confession, Fall on Me (I know, it's a cover, but still again...), Wisteria, Beyond the Iron Gate, Reunion Hill, Next Best Western...to name but a few. Nuff said. So did anyone go to the Town Crier last night? Would love to hear a review, since I am still living vicariously through all of you on this RS tour. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 12:24:39 -0400 From: Vanessa Wills Subject: Re: [RS] RS: At The Towne Crier Oyy. I don't know--it doesn't sound too spectacular to me. I'm with Kristen on this one. Richard's a handsome guy, so why cover up half his face? Ah, well. I guess it's his face to do with whatsoever he pleases. - --V Steeleye77@cs.com wrote: > Yes Indeed, Richard grew a beard. It's pretty close cropped and he claims it > was only 1 days growth (yeah, right!) but it was most definitely a beard. I'm > not an expert on beards, but it covered his face from the sideburns on down. > It was as though he just let it grow. He sure looked different. Not quite > like Al Gore, though! > > Arno - -- "I still confuse mowing down with getting through." -Jeff Lang, "throw it all," from _Cedar Grove_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 12:26:02 EDT From: LBECKLAW@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: sporting a beard!? In a message dated 9/21/2001 1:44:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org writes: << Richard, now sporting a new beard >> Unlike Vanessa, I didn't picture Al Gore (well, until she mentioned it) fortunately. But picturing Richard with what I assume is a scruffy, new, Miami-Vice-ish type beard (goatee maybe?) makes me wonder if you all may be on to something with the Kevin Spacey/Richard separated at birth thing. A much better visual btw than Al Gore--yuk. I prefer to think of the new beard as a statement; like when Jewish men are in mourning or "shiva" after someone dies, they don't shave for about 10 days. Laura ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V3 #313 ***********************************