From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V3 #281 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Friday, August 24 2001 Volume 03 : Number 281 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Songs in Thailand, phone boxes and worcester sauce [Buffy ] [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V3 #279 ["Greg Z" ] [RS] words to the song [Lee Wessman ] [RS] Re: Lea and Perrins sauce [LBECKLAW@aol.com] [RS] Re: Eastham, Worcester sauce ["Greg Z" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:27:47 +0100 From: Buffy Subject: [RS] Songs in Thailand, phone boxes and worcester sauce >Several years ago while in northern Thailand I took a bus from Mae Hong Son >to Chaing Mai, stopping overnight in the village of Pai (not a major tourist >spot, and with few English speaking locals). I wandered into a small bar to >be greeted by the music of Bob Dylan, Van Morrison, Bob Marley, Robert >Hunter, et al., although sung with a distinct Thai accent. >The guitarist/lead singer told me he had spent time in London, where he had >become hooked on western folk music and reggae. None of his band-mates spoke >or understood a word of English, nor did more than a couple of audience >members, however everyone was having a wonderful time. The singer said he >liked the songs and how they felt, and he hoped to communicate this to >others who had never heard them. I find this whole thing fascinating. When living in Thailand I heard hundreds of these kinds of songs being performed in bars, (apparently a Dar-lister even heard someone in Bangkok singing a Dar song!) and people were obviously enjoying the music despite the words being totally lost on them! (Southern Chiang Mai wants to be Western Bangkok? Nah.....) Granted, it's less likely in somewhere like Pai where there are very few tourists or English-speaking Thais. I often wonder this (admittedly slightly obscure) question: when people are singing in a tonal language, does anything get lost when they are singing it? For examle, in Thai the same word can mean 'glass' or 'rice' or 'man', depending on whether you pronounce it with a rising or falling town (etc.). Obviously it would make sense in the context of the song but wouldn't it sound WIERD if you heard the alternative first?!? Any linguists or bilingual people out there have any idea? >Reminds me of a conversation I was having with my pal (and sometime-list-participant) >Buffy From England regarding "May," in which Richard -- in the voice of the (what I've >always assumed is an) Irish fugitive -- says "I'm calling from some booth." Well, I >was advised that in Great Britain, they're called boxes, not booths. Well I'm sure he must be English or Irish, because of the line: 'I'll send a few quid when I can....'. As far as I know, quid is solely a British or Irish expression. Or am I wrong there? But we definitely say telephone boxes, not booths - although with everyone in the world seemingly now owning a mobile phone, I'm not sure how much they are used any more! It's always clunked a bit with me, even though it's just one word, because it jars with the 'quid' somewhat. But maybe that's me being too much of a purist. If we're being really picky, I don't think you would call it just a 'box' (without the "'phone") - 'I'm calling from some box' sounds equally odd to me! Last thing - I don't know why this would sound so strange (is there an innuendo I'm not getting?) but we call it 'Wooster' AND 'wooster sauce'. And, after all, I think have dibs on it. ;))) Buffy (sometime-list-participant but always-list-reader) P.S. Please no-one ask me what 'dibs' is....;) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 08:32:59 EDT From: RockinRonD@aol.com Subject: [RS] Richard Redux So who's going to the Turning Point shows tomorrow? I'll be at the 7:30 show. Seeing Richard twice in one month! How special! Ron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:12:50 -0400 From: "Gene Frey" Subject: [RS] A Reliable Sauce Hey you guys, Regarding the Worcesteshire controversy, I must admit that I'm still trying to figure out the difference between catsup and ketchup. And, in response to RonD, Isabel and I will be at the Turning Point for both shows tomorrow. Hope to see a lot of listers there. Gene F. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:55:09 -0400 From: "Greg Z" Subject: [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V3 #279 >Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:09:30 -0400 >From: "Norman A. Johnson" >Subject: [RS] The Wreck >And by the way, I saw Gordon Lightfoot >play at the Calvin last year and even he was in awe >of the "Wreck". > Hey Norman, We've got to stop "not" meeting like this. I was at the same RS show at the Iron Horse, and also at the GL show at the Calvin last year. Greg Wooster, Wusta, Wormtown, whatever (also known as the heart of the Commonwealth) Actually, I'm in Cleveland right now. There is a ship much like the Edmund Fitz docked right next to the R&R Hall named the Edward Mather, as a museum of Great Lakes Freighters. Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 08:55:48 -0700 From: Lee Wessman Subject: [RS] words to the song Robert asked for words to Next Best Western. Nobody put em up here yet so here they are. (And off the top of my head, too.) It's the middle of the night Near the Indiana line I'm pulling in a Christian station The signal's crystal clear But I cannot really hear What he says about the Revelation I am wretched I am tired The Preacher is on fire And I wish I could believe... Whoever watches over all these truckers Show a little mercy for a weary sinner And deliver me.... Did he who made the lamb Put the tremble in the hand That reaches out to take my quarter? I look him in the eye But there isn't any time, Just time enough to pass the tender The highway takes its toll Green light flashes go And it's welcome to Ohio (chorus) It takes light years of nothing to let these stars shine through And it's an empty road that finds its way back home to you Four a.m. on 80 east It's in the nature of the beast To wonder if there's something missing (chorus) Not bad for 10 p.m. at the end of a 15-hour workday, eh? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:05:58 EDT From: LBECKLAW@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: Lea and Perrins sauce I think both Bill and Vanessa's pronunciations (respectively South and South Philly)are dead on. But I like the cop out suggestion of "Lea and Perrins" too! Re: Boston and wierd syntax...how do you pronounce (correctly) the town of Eastham in Cape Cod? East-em? East Ham? I've never gotten that down, and I was born in Boston, too! Off to pak the cah, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 19:40:53 -0400 From: "Greg Z" Subject: [RS] Re: Eastham, Worcester sauce Laura, My father-in-law has a small place in Eastham, and to our knowledge for a couple of decades, it is pronounced east-ham, as if 2 separate words, as you have it. To Buffy, The part you might not be getting is the way the locals pronounce the name of Worcester. We are known for an accent and not pronouncing our "R's" very well. As my high school French teacher used to say in disgust, "lazy lipped New Englanders." We also have a Leicester and a Gloucester in the state, names you also probably know. Cheers, Greg Z PS: Any listers plan on going to Peterborough, NH on Sept. 22nd? - --- "I'll put this cloud behind me, that's how the Man designed me I'm no stranger to the rain"... 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