From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V3 #261 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Wednesday, August 8 2001 Volume 03 : Number 261 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] intros [jim colbert ] [RS] doing the ado [Lee Wessman ] Re:[RS] intros [john andrew clary ] Re: [RS] intros [Rongrittz@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 08:51:19 -0700 From: jim colbert Subject: [RS] intros > >>We have three choices: > a) leaving it off > b) giving it track one (list it as "intro") > c) giving it "track zero" > d) putting it on the beginning of track one - "The Courier" << My vote preference is A, C my second choice... B would not make me nuts...but I am flat out vehemently opposed to D. On the other hand, let's not get our knickers too bunched up on the intro. When it comes right down to it, the music is what matters, once we get past most of our (myself included, see above!) pet peeves. Heck, I'm just pleased as punch some of my favorites made the final cut! And Gene is right about Cafe Royal @ Heirloom Solutions.... great little listening venue with good tasty things. (Trust me on this one, cause it's a four hour drive for me!) jpc somwhere near bellefonte pa hazy hot and humid again ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 09:38:48 -0700 From: Lee Wessman Subject: [RS] doing the ado Charlie wrote: >>We have three choices: a) leaving it off b) giving it track one (list it as "intro") c) giving it "track zero" d) putting it on the beginning of track one - "The Courier" << I'd take (a) and leave it off. It's a primary rule of editing: when in doubt, leave it out. Did you know that Hemingway, when writing short stories, would usually go back and chop off the first one-third or so of what he had written? He'd just chop the damned thing off. However, if Richard wants an intro, I'd just take (d) and toss it into The Courier track. I mean, it takes, what, four seconds? And leaving the "Without further ado" throws in a hint of mystery. Leaves you wondering, "hmm, I wonder what those people were a-doing?" Very enigmatic. Very Richard Shindell. - -lee ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 21:04:39 GMT From: john andrew clary Subject: Re:[RS] intros Charlie gave us three choices: >> a) leaving it off, b) giving it track one (list it as "intro"), c) giving it "track zero," d) putting it on the beginning of track one - "The Courier" << After reading all the debate and explanations and finally finding Lucy's hidden track, my preference is to not include the introduction. The packaging will make it obvious to everyone buying the record that it is a collection of live performances and not a "Concert Recording." If someone wants to hear the banter that ends up in the bit bucket, aren't there bootlegs of these shows floating around anyway? =) I am excited just thinking about a possible Sonora Outtakes bonus disk. john andrew clary ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 21:44:16 EDT From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] intros << The packaging will make it obvious to everyone buying the record that it is a collection of live performances and not a "Concert Recording." >> Well, I'm not so sure about that, since only Charlie can tell us whether it's being edited as a seamless "concert" document or whether each track will fade out, stop, then pick up again at the next song. It's actually an interesting issue, since Charlie has indicated that some of the takes are coming from the Montclair show, at which Richard had an entirely different band than he had at the Emelin. Makes me wonder how that's being handled, so that there's no bizarre continuity issue. RG ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V3 #261 ***********************************