From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V3 #185 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Thursday, June 7 2001 Volume 03 : Number 185 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Oh, the games people play. [Loracevoll@aol.com] Re: [RS] Many and varied [Loracevoll@aol.com] [RS] SOTW: the grocer's broom [jcolb ] RE: [RS] Paul Simon and tapes worn out [Katrin.Uhl@t-online.de (Katrin Uh] Re: [RS] SOTW: the grocer's broom [Rongrittz@aol.com] [RS] Merritt Parkway has merit! ["Lea Gavrieli" ] RE: [RS] Paul Simon and tapes worn out [Rongrittz@aol.com] [RS] Re: games [Eric Apgar - GAR ] Re: [RS] Re: games [SMOKEY596@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 15:22:47 EDT From: Loracevoll@aol.com Subject: [RS] Oh, the games people play. In a message dated 06/07/2001 3:10:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Rongrittz writes: > "Hey, let's beat up Ron and take his lunch money." Did we stop playing that??? Dang, I must have missed that memo.... ....Carol ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 15:27:26 EDT From: Loracevoll@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Many and varied > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 14:56:22 -0400 > From: "Brian Williamson" > How about: > "Mother May I?" and (the now politically incorrect) "Smear The Queer" which > would probably be the same as "kill the guy with the ball" from the above > list. See, those are the things that make glad I was (and still am!!) a girl. My husband's brother broke a kid's arm doing one of those guy pile up things. Down here it was called something so politically incorrect I shall not even repeat it. Did anyone mention "Red Rover"??? I hated that. I never could break through the other guy's line or hold them out of our line.... > P.S. and "SPUD". Spud!!!! I forgot all about that. Gosh, wasn't it fun when the biggest guy in your class could peg the hell out of you with that ball???????? .....Carol ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 15:34:39 -0400 From: jcolb Subject: [RS] SOTW: the grocer's broom Grocer's Broom What I see most and first in this is the parallels between the song and a short story I wrote called Closing Del Greco's, about the closing of a family owned neighborhood corner market (would be a bodega, were there such things in Johnstown) when the big all night convenience store opens down the block. It's eerily similar... but of course, none of you have read that story, so I'll stick to the song. I've never heard rs do it live (of the few times I've seen him) and wondered why this wasn't in his repetoire. I particularly like the whole broom idea... his life as he knows it is changing irrevocably, he feels old and tired and supposes he should feel useless... although he didn't and isn't. But I think the broom itself is the really moving part, he's sweeping the floor before he closes the doors forever, because that's what he has always done. Keeping things clean and in order. That's what 30 years of his life has been. So that's what he does. (Sort of like the irony of washing and ironing a shirt before you give it to goodwill or st. vincent de pauls.) I don't find a special significance to the reference to five, other than maybe a fixation on the amount the landlord was raising the rent. I think he keeps making that parallel, almost unconsciously. And I think they''re probably building, like, a Starbucks or gonna tear the building down and build a huge drive in drug store there. Something void of character, void of feeling and charm and personality and people will go there and say what a shame it is the neighborhood has changed. (Or perhaps, as Gorka wrote about Bethlehem "further west it's been gentrified/they turn biker bars into flower shops.") The song to me IS lost somewhat SNP. I think it would have been noticed more, perhaps, had it been earlier or at the end of the disc, or on a different disc. "Where silence sits playing her flute/he finds the tune, hums along." Geez, that just rips my heart out. It is immeasurably sad to me to see older people feeling like they don't matter any more. I could definately see Quinn playing the grocer. Or perhaps an older John Malcovich, mostly because I could hear that quiet, dignified "almost defeated" tone to his voice... And the song I want to hear next is Robert Earl Keen's I wanna know... have you got a minute little time we can spend open up and let me in share some memories people in a hurry everyday goes by so fast noone takes the time to ask how it used to be I wanna know did you ever ride an automobile or a two horse carriage with wood spoke wheels I hear you used to walk to school seven miles a day Did you ever ride a railroad train and the jpc somewhere near penn state ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 08:26:27 +0200 From: Katrin.Uhl@t-online.de (Katrin Uhl) Subject: RE: [RS] Paul Simon and tapes worn out you know, as I am tossing the idea around in my head and thinking of who's on Signature Sound, I can't stop thinking that a tribute album to Paul Simon with that group of people would really be great! Now Richard of course would be perfect for a Paul Simon cover, need to think which one I would like to hear him do (sounds like a great procrastination- project at work today). Peter Mulvey already does a very cool Paul Simon cover. I'm sure Erin McKeown would find a way to play one of his tunes that would blow our minds... As to Ron's question: > So, like, here's a question. Has anyone ACTUALLY ever "worn out > a record?" > Just wondering. ;-) well, I can tell you what happens to them if you put them out in the sun? :) Katrin, having to endure Ricky Martin on the radio this very morning who apparently has a new single out here... do you guys have any idea how blessed you are that you have independent, small radio stations that play good music? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- i do it for the joy it brings because i'm a joyful girl because the world owes me nothing and we owe each other the world ani difranco _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 15:56:40 EDT From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] SOTW: the grocer's broom >> I've never heard rs do it live (of the few times I've seen him) and wondered why this wasn't in his repetoire. << I actually wonder why Richard doesn't trot out some of his more obscure songs more often. I mean, I'm thrilled that he seems to have added "Courier" to his regular set list now, after not having included it for so long, but maybe it's time to give some of the workhorses ("Arrowhead," "Are You Happy Now," "Fishing," etc., and even some of the SNP stuff like "Confession") a rest, and start playing stuff like "Grocer" or "The Things That I Have Seen" or "Castaway" or um, "The Weather" from time to time. >> (Sort of like the irony of washing and ironing a shirt before you give it to goodwill or st. vincent de pauls.) << Or when you vacuum and straighten your house before the cleaning lady shows up . . . RG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 16:07:13 -0400 From: "Lea Gavrieli" Subject: [RS] Merritt Parkway has merit! ...snip, snip "Point taken. As moving as the sentiment is, it IS a song that I'm likely to skip. Actually, it's the first of TWO that I usually skip, because I've STILL never heard "Merritt Parkway" all the way through. It's like Neil Young said about the song "Don't Let It Bring You Down" . . . "it sorta starts out slow, then fizzles out altogether." RG " OK, OK, after lurking for a while, I've got to jump in here. I love Richard's words as much as anyone, (I am wretched, I am tired but the preacher is on fire and I wish I could believe... speaks most closely to my heart) but Merritt Parkway has a magic that no words can capture, and sometimes you've just got to know when to shut up and let the music take you. Had he put any words with this it wouldn't have been half as good. Give this piece another listen, it's got true beauty. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 16:16:36 EDT From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: RE: [RS] Paul Simon and tapes worn out >> Now Richard of course would be perfect for a Paul Simon cover, need to think which one I would like to hear him do << For sure, "Duncan." Having my favorite singer sing one of my all-time favorite songs -- and a character song, to boot -- would just make me Mr. Happy Guy. RG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 13:25:43 -0700 From: Eric Apgar - GAR Subject: [RS] Re: games capture the flag cheers, eric >Oh, one of the things I am trying to write about are all the outdoor games >we >used to play. Anyone care to help me compile a list? This is what I have so >far: > >Manhunt, kickball, stickball, dodgeball, kill the guy with the ball, >baseball, tag football, steal the bacon, tag, boxball, red light green light >123, simon says, jacks, jumprope, hide and go seek, hopscotch, twenty >questions, tug of war, red rover, kick the can, statues > >Thanks! >Tom ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 17:03:24 EDT From: SMOKEY596@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Re: games Okay, does anyone remember how to play Farmer in the Dell? You start with a circle of kids and the farmer is in the middle of the circle. Then the farmer takes a wife, choosing a kid from the circle to join him in the middle. Then the wife chooses a child, and so on, until at the end of the game, the cheese stands alone. Now tell me...with all the kids going into the middle of the circle, and the circle getting smaller and smaller around the group in the middle...how does the cheese come to end up alone? Do they all abandon the cheese and join the outer circle again? Wondering Smokey ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V3 #185 ***********************************