From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V3 #161 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Tuesday, May 15 2001 Volume 03 : Number 161 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Re: help, opinions [Tom926@aol.com] Re: [RS] help, opinions ["edward dupas" ] [RS] songs for Greg [jcolb ] [RS] Re: help, opinions [Graham Gudgin ] [RS] Re: sitting Richard [Graham Gudgin ] [RS] YSH? [ja clary ] Re: [RS] Nina G new album/Richard too [ja clary ] Re: [RS] Re: sitting Richard [Rongrittz@aol.com] Re: [RS] Re: sitting Richard [Vanessa Wills ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 07:56:19 EDT From: Tom926@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: help, opinions Hmmm, I would go with Next Best Western actually though (sorry RG)--not because of the tuning. It is his song and it does the thing I always associate with RS...it tells the story of a person's moral journey in a strikingly metaphorical conceit (I have been writing poetry again so I am Full of Poetic Jargon at the moment) with this beautiful and accessible melody. That melody is ruthlessly memorable. Cold Missouri Waters really isn't his song (and what singer songwriter wants to be most known for singing someone else's song--ask Sinead O'Connor about that one! And ooh. Wouldn't those two be a knockout combo on something folky spiritual and political) and I think the melody and metaphor of NBW blows Abeulita away. Plus, it was the first RS song I heard (when he was opening for Dar) and the one that I hummed in my head on the subway home and the one that first made me want to go and buy his cds. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 08:23:07 -0400 From: "edward dupas" Subject: Re: [RS] help, opinions "Cold Missouri Waters" The others don't come come in pure shock value. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 08:22:03 -0400 From: jcolb Subject: [RS] songs for Greg > How about You Stay Here, have > you thought about that one? Well, that wasn't one of the options, so I'm assuming Greg would like us to stick to the three he seems most comfortable with and interested in performing. Nothing against Abuelita but I have to vote for Next Best Western. This works so well solo acoustic... I think CMW is a great song and even though it's not an rs song I see nothing wrong with that- it's likely one of his favorite songs too, he does a great version and plays it often, from what I've heard and read... but i think it does benefit from a bit of a spoken intro for those unfamiliar with the tune. He did a wonderful version at Godfrey Daniels, btw. (Actually, you aren't going to go wrong with any of the 3, y'know?) Let us know how it goes. jpc in sc pa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:40:17 -0400 From: Graham Gudgin Subject: [RS] Re: help, opinions Greg said: At 04:55 AM 5/15/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 21:12:53 -0400 (EDT) >From: "Greg Z" >Subject: [RS] help, opinions > >Flat out, I might have some difficulties with Cold Missouri Waters. I love >Next Best Western, but Abuelita is such a powerful story. Opinions, >anybody? If you had the opportunity to showcase a RS song, which of these >would you choose? I agree with you (and Katrin) that Abuelita is such a powerful story. If it's down to those three, I would definitely go with that one. Do it right, and you'll have everyone in tears! I'd also agree with Katrin that "You stay here" would win out if that was in the shortlist too. Graham. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:22:56 -0400 From: Graham Gudgin Subject: [RS] Re: sitting Richard Lee said, >Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 09:58:20 -0700 >From: Lee Wessman >Subject: [RS] sitting richard > >I was surprised to see Richard sit for the Berkeley performance. He's >a high-energy performer, and it's more difficult to generate energy Richard, high-energy??? I could say a lot of things about Richard, but I don't think high-energy would be one of them! >- -- not to mention a vocal performance -- when sitting. I always >figure that if you're tired, you're better off not sitting, because >that will just make it even more difficult to perform. > >Dolores, who drove up to Berkeley after seeing him in San Diego (and >who lurks out there even at this moment) reports that Richard did >about four fewer songs in Berkeley than he did in San Diego. Maybe >that's more evidence of fatigue. Traveling up from Argentina, then to >the West Coast from the East, would make it hard to stand. I wonder >how sustainable this schedule is, and how that will affect his career. I haven't been able to see Richard on this tour, but it surprises me how many people on this list have been trying to attribute his behavior or appearance on fatigue. Has anyone actually talked to Richard about this? It seems as if people are almost looking for "evidence" that the move to Argentina has been bad for him. Anyway, I think Lee answered his own question, in the following paragraph: >Anyway, one nice thing about the sitting performance was that he was >able to concentrate more on finessing the guitar than when standing. >He was playing beautifully, even laying his ear down on the guitar at >times, the way a lot of us do when we're playing in the privacy of Graham. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:12:07 -0700 From: ja clary Subject: [RS] YSH? Katrin suggested: >> How about You Stay Here, have you thought about that one? << Have any of you guitar player/singers managed to do a decent job of this? I thought I did once, before I saw Richard play it. Now I can't bear to butcher it with a flat pick so I only done it once since, and I asked someone else to play while I sang. Lee and I watched closely again at the Freight and it seems pretty clear that Richard slips his ring finger into the mix. - -- john andrew clary "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." ~Hunter S. Thompson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:36:28 -0700 From: ja clary Subject: Re: [RS] Nina G new album/Richard too BTW, for those at the Freight, was that indeed Nina Gerber who was hanging out with Denice Franke? The thought of her coming on stage to join either of them had me a little excited and then when it didn't happen I thought maybe it wasn't Nina at all. John On Fri, 11 May 2001 17:22:02 EDT Tricia9999@aol.com writes: > Well, my mailbox contained a nice surprise today. I had given money to > support music education so long ago that I had forgotten the wonderful bonus > to come. Nina Gerber's new solo album is a nice blend of her and others > playing instrumentals and some guest vocalists as well. It has a nice jazzy > feel and Nina's playing is great, of course. > Saw Richard last night. He was relaxed. First time I've seen him sitting > throughout. I was hoping to hear some new stuff, but none. Wonder if > any of you know if he is writing new stuff or not? - -- john andrew clary "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." ~Hunter S. Thompson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 12:56:31 EDT From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Re: sitting Richard >> I haven't been able to see Richard on this tour, but it surprises me how many people on this list have been trying to attribute his behavior or appearance on fatigue. Has anyone actually talked to Richard about this? It seems as if people are almost looking for "evidence" that the move to Argentina has been bad for him. << Excellent point. One stinkin' flight to-and-from Argentina every few months can't be so draining. It's not like it's a 15-hour flight to, oh, Thailand or anything. Lucy spends 90% of her life touring the country from one end to another, and I don't ever hear anyone talking about fatigue . . . and she's a LOT more high energy (comparitively speaking) than Richard. RG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:19:07 -0400 From: Vanessa Wills Subject: Re: [RS] Re: sitting Richard Graham Gudgin wrote: > I haven't been able to see Richard on this tour, but it surprises me how > many people on this list have been trying to attribute his behavior or > appearance on fatigue. Has anyone actually talked to Richard about this? It > seems as if people are almost looking for "evidence" that the move to > Argentina has been bad for him. Man, I'm glad somebody else said it, cuz I've sure to hell been thinking it. Now, I get to wholeheartedly agree. Poor Richard. I'm probably as guilty of anyone of a little speculation every now and then (and I mentally smack myself when I do it because it's not really appropriate), but there is such a thing as overdoing it. - --V np: Michael Jackson, "Dangerous." And I'm going to play Disc Two from "HIStory," next. I was obsessed with Michael Jackson from about the age of one until I was 16, when I finally decided not to redo my locker as a shrine to him, that year. I was a strange kid, don't ask. ;-) Wills family history has it that I was totally consumed ever since I saw him do the Moonwalk to "Billie Jean" in what, ''83? You have a question about Michael Jackson? Ask away. I don't think I'll ever get those 14 years worth of trivia out of my skull. All those wasted brain cells. Ah, well. - -- "One should keep his words both soft and tender, because tomorrow he may have to eat them." -Andy Rooney ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V3 #161 ***********************************