From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V3 #101 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Tuesday, March 20 2001 Volume 03 : Number 101 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] warning possibly boring content about possible boring content [jcolb] [RS] The Napster/fandom/bootlegging threads. [Rongrittz@aol.com] [RS] Fandom ["Sally Green" ] Re: [RS] The Napster/fandom/bootlegging threads. [Vanessa Wills Subject: [RS] warning possibly boring content about possible boring content > This is just annoying. Some of you (I name no names) imply that you're better fans because you don't do this, and you don't do that. Well, isn't that kind of the point? Why do you feel the > need to point out all your many virtues to the list--other than to be recognized for what a great fan you are? Am I the only one who sees the irony, and finds it . . . annoying?! And > boring. Well, my personal opinion is... sometimes there are schools of thought or issues about a subject- whether it's autographs, tape trading, the designated hitter, new sports stadiums, taxation without representation, the pounds sterling to dollars exchange rate, vintage japanese motorcycle parts, whatever- that i may have overlooked or been ignorant to. Some of which i may or may not feel are a load of horse puckey, some of which may actually sway my way of thinking. So I say talk away, express thyself, and just label the header/subject matter accordingly so if it looks boring you can hit the delete key. That's the beauty of the whole e-mail list thing to me. (Just the two cents of a newbie on this list, but a long term acoustic music fan) jpc in sc pa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:40:56 EST From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: [RS] The Napster/fandom/bootlegging threads. >> Am I the only one who sees the irony, and finds it . . . annoying?! And boring. << I respect your opinion, but I personally find it neither annoying nor boring. It sure seems to me that a discussion about music on a music discussion list isn't a stretch, and sharing thoughts (without name-calling, of course) is one of the things this list has always done well. It's not we're on our soapboxes about, oh, abortion, y'know . . . RG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:24:09 -0500 From: "Sally Green" Subject: [RS] Fandom I think that part of it has to do with personality, you know - some people naturally want to talk to/get to know people who have an effect on them, and some people aren't so much inclined to do that. Both outgoing and shy people can be inclined to do either, I think - it really just depends on the person and the artist, and the situation. I think that Elwestrand or Vanessa wrote this: >For instance I have found that Katrina Nields will ignore you at >great length and doesn't seem the least bit interested in >signing anything. I will never ask her again. Nerissa on the >other hand, is all sunshine and loves to sign and talk about her >music. Same with Dar. I will still try to get my CD's signed by >Richard, but I have mostly lost the desire to talk to him. Are you sure you don't have the Nields sisters mixed up? I've found that Katryna is the one who is really warm and welcoming. Nerissa seemed much less interested in talking to her fans. I used to think she was unfriendly, and I mentioned this once in a group of folkies and one of them told me that she's not unfriendly, she's just EXTREMELY shy. Didn't someone just post something recently about Melissa Ferrick and panic attacks? Anyway, just something to think about - people might not be being unfriendly, per se. I do like to talk to the performers after the shows, but not all performers. Richard and Dar, yeah. Other people, well, it depends on my mood whether I'll go out to the signing afterward. I enjoyed talking to Susan Werner. What a hoot. I also think that part of an early folkie's career is probably somewhat DEPENDENT on talking to fans after the show, since so much of the career-building is dependent on building a fan base. And for folk music, I think that part of building a fan base is talking to fans after the show. Do they have workshops on this at the Folk Alliance? "How To Talk Nicely To Your Fans After A Show When All You Really Want To Do Is Go Home To Bed." "Top 10 Standard Responses To Fan Compliments: Beyond 'Thanks.'" "Building Boundaries Without Burning Bridges." Wouldn't that be a great panel discussion? Of course, it would have to be performer-only so they could speak freely about their experiences. So when a performer starts to get more famous and to draw bigger crowds, there's likely going to be some growing pains as they have to do less of the after-performance meet-and-greets. This seems to be more of a developing issue with Dar, though, and not quite as much with Richard yet. - --Sally sallyagreen@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:56:52 -0500 From: Vanessa Wills Subject: Re: [RS] The Napster/fandom/bootlegging threads. Rongrittz@aol.com wrote: > >> Am I the only one who sees the irony, and finds it . . . annoying?! And boring. << > > I respect your opinion, but I personally find it neither annoying nor boring. It sure seems to me that a discussion about music on a music discussion list isn't a stretch, and sharing thoughts (without name-calling, of course) is one of the things this list has always done well. > > It's not we're on our soapboxes about, oh, abortion, y'know . . . Now, I know I said you guys had heard the last of me on this subject, but, as you must have guessed, I was lying through my teeth. First, I think my "annoying and boring" comment should be taken in context: >>This is just annoying. Some of you (I name no names) imply that you're better fans because you don't do this, and you don't do that. Well, isn't that kind of the point? Why do you feel the need to point out all your many virtues to the list--other than to be recognized for what a great fan you are? Am I the only one who sees the irony, and finds it . . . annoying?! And boring.<< I wasn't referring to the topic of conversation itself, in whole or in part. The topic is neither annoying nor boring. You guys are all too varied and interesting for that. It's the shape of the conversation, however, that I find disturbing. Ron, I think we totally agree that as far as the discussion has been music-related, it's been fruitful, interesting, and worthwhile. And like I said, I'm not saying that the discussion should stop, necessarily. It's just been spiralling down into this abyss of "I am sooo much more 'with it' than you are." I hoped that by pointing this out, we might avoid that and keep the discussion from getting any worse, in this respect. It's the self-caricature that I find distressingly ironic. Someone can say: "I don't derive any pleasure from XYZ, and here's why." Ahh, something interesting. If they say: "I don't derive any pleasure from XYZ--not like that guy over there. Gee, he really doesn't know what it means to be a good fan. Not like me." Well, that's something of a problem. It's just that we needn't draw these sharp lines and plant ourselves on either side of them, wagging the finger of shame at those across the divide. Just as we're not on our soapboxes about abortion, neither are we discussing whether it's a good idea to rush the stage and flail about like a maniac, nor are we pondering the ethical quandary of breaking into our local independent music stores and making off with a stash of Reunion Hills. On these amorphous issues, when you characterize someone else's view as just patently wrong/crazy/stupid/what-have-you, you do a lot more damage to your own position than you do to theirs. JMO Vanessa, who is on Spring Break and, as you can tell, sorely missing her philosophy seminars P.S. Sally wrote: >I think that Elwestrand or Vanessa wrote this: Warn't me! ;-) On the few (very few--like twice, I think) occasions I met the Nields, they were all really fun and friendly. Nerissa said I had a pretty name (although my mean friend told me that didn't count, since our names sound so much the same--dang it!). The first time I met them, Katryna recognized a couple of my friends who had been big Nields concert-goers for a while. One day I'll tell you guys the story about how my best friend, my ex-girlfriend, and I had shrimp pad thai in Philly's Chinatown with Dave Chalfant and Nerissa Nields. Slightly. ;-) Peace, V - -- "Somewhere within this heart of mine,/ Demons are working overtime, Would that I were ruled by sweet, sweet fate,/ Never facing the choice I made." --Duncan Sheik, "House Full of Riches" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:33:44 -0500 From: Vanessa Wills Subject: [RS] [Fwd: [FM] help needed for Jodi Gill (ASL interpreter at FRFF)] I don't think I've seen this posted to the list, yet--apologies if it is a repeat. Return-Path: Received: from smtpserver1.Princeton.EDU (mail.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.14]) by imap2.Princeton.EDU (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GAGPTI00.3YT for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:48:54 -0500 Received: from Princeton.EDU (postoffice.Princeton.EDU [128.112.129.120]) by smtpserver1.Princeton.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07135 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:48:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from grassyhill.org (grassyhill.org [208.231.0.71]) by Princeton.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19525 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:48:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from grassyhill.org (localhost.grassyhill.org [127.0.0.1]) by grassyhill.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f2JKjIC16194; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:45:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by grassyhill.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f2IHL4T62847 for real_folkmusic@grassyhill.org; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:21:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo-r11.mx.aol.com (imo-r11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by grassyhill.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f2IHL3C62843 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:21:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from Fantine729@aol.com by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id k.44.c31516a (7878) for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:20:56 -0500 (EST) From: Fantine729@aol.com Message-ID: <44.c31516a.27e64877@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:20:55 EST To: folkmusic@grassyhill.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10502 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [FM] help needed for Jodi Gill (ASL interpreter at FRFF) Reply-To: folkmusic@grassyhill.org Sender: folkmusic-admin@grassyhill.org Errors-To: folkmusic-admin@grassyhill.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: New American Singer Songwriter list X-BeenThere: folkmusic@grassyhill.org X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 This is being passed along from list to list, anywhere there may be FRFF attendees. Thanks. ~ Sheila Jodi Gill's (the American Sign Language interpreter for Falcon Ridge and Clearwater) car was stolen the other night, and along with it, the monitor that helps her to sign. Anne and Falcon Ridge have generously offered to donate half the money to buy a new monitor, but that still leaves a $400 shortfall to be made up. Donations can be sent to the Mainstage Coffeehouse: N. Westchester Center for the Arts 272 N. Bedford Road Mt. Kisco, NY 10549-1103 phone: 914 949-2913 c/o Jodi Gill _______________________________________________ folkmusic mailing list folkmusic@grassyhill.org http://grassyhill.org/folkmusic ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V3 #101 ***********************************