From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V3 #95 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Sunday, March 18 2001 Volume 03 : Number 095 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [RS] Cold Missouri Waters [patrick t power ] RE: [RS] the other side of fandom - not short!! [Katrin.Uhl@t-online.de (] [RS] Emelin night 2, and Ron G's Secret Revealed ["Gene Frey" Subject: Re: [RS] Cold Missouri Waters On the heels of Norman's recommendation, Jenny wrote: <> This book has just been re-published, I believe, so it shouldn't be too difficult to find. I read a library's copy. With regard to the repetitive nature of the book, MacLean wrote this at a late age in life, and -- in fact -- died before it was finished. Out of respect for him (or perhaps as a matter of saving a few bucks) the publishers did very little editing of his then-extant writing. It is a compelling story, however. MacLean was a wonderful writer/wordsmith. Likewise, MacLean's son John wrote "Fire On The Mountain", about the South Canyon (Colorado) fire of 1994, which had similar characteristics and similarly disastrous results. MacLean's writing isn't quite as lyrical as his father's, but this story is also compelling, albeit for different reasons. Pat ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 13:40:09 +0100 From: Katrin.Uhl@t-online.de (Katrin Uhl) Subject: RE: [RS] the other side of fandom - not short!! hi guys, I didn't notice how long I've been silent on this list until someone mentioned it to me. So here I am again. This conversation is interesting and it seems like it's one that will always surface again - it feels like we've had it before, but it might have been a different place. I've both, lots and nothing, to say on the subject at the same time. I think I'll opt for "lots" :-) I second the sentiment some of you have stated - about wanting to get to know people I find interesting, regardless of their profession. That includes people I meet in my professional life, writers, songwriters, "ordinary people" (are there ordinary people though?) ... Regardless what that person does for a living, giving them their space and privacy is always crucial I think. In terms of songwriters I learned my lesson at an early age - I had this severe addiction to a rather famous German songwriter when I was 14-17 and it wasn't a good concert if I didn't make it backstage afterwords. Lucky for me this was something that guy enjoyed, but it still made me realize that after a three hour concert where he sang and played his heart out, he should enjoy some peace and quiet and not some gushing teenager wanting to discuss the revolutionary imagery of his songs. I would never think of staying around after a Sting or U2 concert to exchange a few words with them, though I tremendously like their music. What is one of my favorite "things" about the songwriters whose music we treasure here is that most of them could just as well be my next door neighbors (well, if you forget about my geographical location for a minute that is of course :-) ) There really isn't a whole lot that sets them apart from me in terms of everyday life. "Stars" is not a word I would apply to most of them (and that's meant as a compliment). And I've made the experience that if you take them for just that, most of them are happy to exchange a few sentences with you. It is not for me to inquire about their personal life, nor is it for me to spill them with details of mine. While their songs might touch on oh so familiar ground, while it feels we've shared similar experiences and even if it feels like, man, he/she must have just known about my particular situation when writing a certain song - that is just what I read into them. And I think that's a good thing to keep in mind. And I've noticed that it's much easier for me to talk to an artist if I lose that whole putting them on a pedestal thing. It's a thin line between "what's okay and what's stalking" for me. And it varies from situation to situation. Yes, I have given things to artists on rare occasions as well, but I don't think I would do it on a regulast basis. Other people might choose differently, and as long as the artists enjoy that - that's cool. If you happen to develop an "off-stage relationship" (now don't read the wrong things into that term :-) ) with a particular artist and both parties enjoy that - more power to you. But I think that's something that just happens, just as it happens with other people. It gets weird when you strive to get to that point, when you make it your personal quest to befriend a particular artist. my two cents. I think it's important to ask yourself why you want to be friends with a particular person (regardless of that person's profession) - is it because you are genuinly interested in that person or because you enjoy the way your environment's reaction to such a relationship. Noone is imune to the second I think. If course I would find it incredibly cool if I could say I had tea with Joan Baez. It's probably a good thing that that will never happen, I'd have a really hard time not to tell the whole world about it :-) It is though, I think, an artist's job to set clear boundaries if they are not comfortable with the way their fans approach them. I can absolutely understand when artists such as, e.g. Ani, see it necessary to have a whole brigarde of security people with them because there are people who will not abide to the unwritten law of respecting boundaries. And the more "famous" you get the worse that will be, at least in the pop/rock world. That's sad though, and I'm glad that will most likely never be the case with most of my favorite folk artists. Hm, this has gotten long. I hope it made some sense... The song for this conversation, btw, is John Gorka's Heroes. Katrin PS1: I will embark on a music advenutre in late April, seeing the same artist 6 times in a row. I have considered bringing a T-shirt that says "I'm not a stalker, I just like your music" :-) PS2: Tom, I laughed so hard when reading this, I think I need to write this down somehwere and apply it to all my ex boyfriends and future ex boyfriends :-) > I would rather have major dental surgery without > novacaine than meet him again. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 08:30:27 -0500 From: "Gene Frey" Subject: [RS] Emelin night 2, and Ron G's Secret Revealed Hey you guys, Ron D. ribbed: >>Okay, so who is going to be the first to start bugging RonG about telling >>us which professional musical artist is the "lying manipulative jerk" that >>he no longer is a fan of? My guess: Liberace << I know who it is, but I won't say. A clue...Ron G has been heard to mutter 'How did a jerk like him end up with a sweetheart like Tennille?' O.K., not really. To the Emelin, where we witnessed a show that was definitely among the best of the 14 or so times we have seen Richard perform live. He was loose, funny, and apparently in great spirits, and it showed. He opened with an excellent version of 'Courier,' and played mostly songs from Sparrows Point and Blue Divide early in the first set. He did the 'trucker trilogy' as it has become known, with Lucy joining him for 'The Next Best Western,' 'Willin'' and 'Kenworth.' Among the other highlights in the first set (and there were many) were 'Wisteria,' 'Nora,' a very different sound on 'Summer Wind, Cotton Dress,' and a version of 'Arrowhead' that featured some heavy, almost Native American sounding drums from Denny Mc Dermott. In the second set Richard opened solo with 'Reunion Hill.' He played the new song (Who's In Charge Here?), and 'You Stay Here' with all the verses intact. He did not play 'The Weather.' When Lucy joined him for 'Mary Magdalene' he joked about their doing Springsteen's '4th Of July, Asbury Park (Sandy)' during the intermission and got a great reaction from the crowd. He sort of did a Spanish set, playing 'Abuelita' and taking two shots at 'Sonora's Death Row' before giving up, declaring that he had a good take from the night before. He closed with 'Transit' and did 'Confession' and 'Sing Me Back Home' for encores. They left after the two encores, but came back out with paper in hand, and damned if they didn't do 'Sandy' and absolutely nail it. The place went wild. Later Richard said that they'd have to check the tape to see if it was good enough to be included on the Live CD. Boy, I hope so. I haven't mentioned John Putnam and Lincoln Schleifer, but they were also at the top of their game last night. They really sounded like a band last night. This is probably not a complete set list, and definitely not in order, but I think I got all the highlights. Great night. Gene F. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 15:30:49 +0100 From: Katrin.Uhl@t-online.de (Katrin Uhl) Subject: RE: [RS] Emelin night 2, and Ron G's Secret Revealed > To the Emelin, where we witnessed a show that was definitely > among the best > of the 14 or so times we have seen Richard perform live.... all I have to say: I can't wait for this album!!!!!!! What was the aprox. release date again? summer? fall? next week? Katrin, extremely angry at that ocean between her and all that great live music :) what else is new... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- i do it for the joy it brings because i'm a joyful girl because the world owes me nothing and we owe each other the world ani difranco ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V3 #95 **********************************