From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V3 #93 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Saturday, March 17 2001 Volume 03 : Number 093 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [none] [owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org] Re: [RS] Re: the other side of fandom ["Joe Lanzalotto" ] Re: [RS] Re: fandom ["Joe Lanzalotto" ] Re: [RS] Re: fandom [SMOKEY596@aol.com] [RS] Guess Who? [RockinRonD@aol.com] [RS] Cold Missouri Waters ["Norman A. Johnson" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 19:08:49 -0500 (EST) From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: [none] Hey everyone-- Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org A message from our friend Sheila, who is helping out with this project for Beth Amsel's new album! - --Sally - --------------------------------------- From: Fantine729@aol.com I'm not sure how many of you RS listers are familiar with Beth Amsel and her work, but she's in the middle of her latest project now and I wanted to get word out because she could use some help!! Beth is in the throes of recording her second album, entitled "Kindling," which she is putting out on her own label, Good Egg. In order for this to become a reality, though, she needs "stockholders" -- 200 pre-orders for the disk, which is slated to be released in June. She has half this number already with two or three more weeks to come up with the remaining half. All pre-orders for the album will receive a handmade booklet by Beth documenting the recording process with pictures and stories and commentary on individual tracks. She will also make available a secret website where you can hear unfinished mixes and rough cuts of the songs. Beth is, in my opinion, an amazing young talent. Her voice is sultry and ethereal. Her stage presence is guileless and charming, and she is simply unable to keep the sheer joy she clearly gets from being on that stage from leaking out. Her songwriting is a wonderfully rich tapestry of characters and landscapes that inextricably draw you in and captivates you. And to top it all off, Beth is among the sweetest, most gracious spirits I have ever had the pleasure of meeting. She greets you as if you are her oldest and dearest friend, even if your paths have never before crossed. She is funny and intelligent....the handmade booklet should be a treat because Beth's prose is a work of art in itself. She writes the best e-mail updates I receive -- they are languid and flowing, more like short stories than information! If you haven't heard Beth before, consider giving her a listen. If you have heard her and think her new CD will probably end up in your collection eventually, consider pre-ordering a copy so that she can get this puppy up and running! Guest artists on the CD, which is being produced by Dave Chalfant (The Nields), include Dave, Ben Demerath, Dave Hower (The Nields), Katryna Nields, Gideon Freudman, and I lose track of who else!! Information on Beth and the CD can be found at http://www.BethAmsel.com/. If you decide to pre-order, please feel free to tell her you came via the RS list! Thanks for letting me enthuse -- I feel so passionately about what Beth is doing and how she is doing it that I want to try to get the word out for her! Peace, Sheila _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 21:53:45 -0500 From: "Joe Lanzalotto" Subject: Re: [RS] Re: the other side of fandom My wife, who is a VERY outgoing person and who sang harmony with Richard at a chosue concert in NJ several times, hugged him after the show when we were standing around talking to him. I thought he was going to turn to stone...it was really kind of funny. Joe - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 9:25 AM Subject: [RS] Re: the other side of fandom ship > > I have absolutely NO desire to meet Richrad in person. Quite frankly I would > either have nothing to say to him beyond "Hello I admire your work > tremendously" or start an argument over some of his songs. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 21:55:10 -0500 From: "Joe Lanzalotto" Subject: Re: [RS] Re: the other side of fandom He IS a good person to talk to when he is in the mood (we're all like that, anyway) and his "edge" is something I can identify with. Joe - ----- Original Message ----- From: Lisa Davis & family To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [RS] Re: the other side of fandom > I totally agree we have no "claim" or "rights" over performers. Furthermore, > just because you talk to someone after a show doesn't mean you "know" him, > personally. Howver, I'd like to be clear we distinguish SOME people who may be > brilliant artists while personal jerks, from, in this case, Richard, who by the > accounts of many, many people, from personal experience hanging out with Richard, > talking to him, etc., is at least at the friend/acquaintance level (I've never > spoken to his ex-wife! :) ), an obviously nice, decent guy, maybe with a bit of > an edge sometimes! I've talked to Richard often enough to be perfectly sure that > I'd like him and enjoy conversations with him whether or not he'd ever written a > line of music. The music just lets you skip over the smalltalk! this doesn't > give me any more than any other listener any claims, rights, etc., but if I see a > nice, intresting person I may want to make friends no matter who (s)he is. Hell, > if I can make friends with people I've never even met live, but only talked to on > the internet, I don't see that there is any taboo against making friends with > people I've met live, if infrequently ,and also been permitted to hear a few of > his innermost thoughts and most important ideas, thanks to music. > > The point is, performers are just people like anyone else. We don't have some > claim to them. But they aren't off-limits either unless and until they say they > are. > > lisa ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 22:02:23 -0500 From: "Joe Lanzalotto" Subject: Re: [RS] Re: fandom ...on the other hand, I was lucky enough to be able to spend quite a while talking to Tom Rush, who is perhaps a better person than a singer/songwriter and I think he's AWESOME at his art. I do believe that he's the exception, not the rule, though. Joe - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 12:21 PM Subject: [RS] Re: fandom > >> The thing I have foudn is that you are usually better off not getting to > "know" the artists you admire. When you do, you find out that they, like > everyone else, have feet of clay and it can be really disappointing. > Something about real life not living up to the art. << > > Amen to that. A few short years ago, I had the unfortunate "pleasure" of > having some interaction with one of my musical idols, a 70's/80's > singer/songwriter. It started out nice enough, but then took a turn for the > bizarre as it became clear that he was a sick, lying, manipulative jerk. And > what it wound up doing was poisoning his music for me, because I could no > longer accept any of his songs as being honest or meaningful. > > So if he'd just stayed a "performer" and we'd maintained our distance, things > might have been different. But he became a "person," and when I realized I > didn't admire or respect the "person," I could no longer admire or respect > the music. His loss, because I think he's down to about 17 fans at this > point. > > Which is why I pretty much limit my interaction with Richard to guitar stuff. > I don't care to know him "personally," necessarily. I mean, I'm not saying > I wouldn't like to talk to him for hours about guitar playing, but I'm not > about to push myself into his life. I don't bring him gifts, I don't want to > know his parents . . . I'm just happy to listen to the music. > > RG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 22:08:29 -0500 From: "Joe Lanzalotto" Subject: Re: [RS] Re: fandom - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [RS] Re: fandom > As are some of his *fans*, no doubt. I'm sure that the performer takes much > more risk than the fans in this type of situation, given that the number of > weirdos in the crowd clearly outnumber him. > > SMOKEY I think you're right, but it is amazing how some performers can portry one personality through their music but be totally opposite when you talk to them. Where DOES that music come from? Joe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 22:09:51 EST From: SMOKEY596@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Re: fandom >>>I think you're right, but it is amazing how some performers can portry one personality through their music but be totally opposite when you talk to them. Where DOES that music come from?<<< Sometimes, it's best not to ask. :-) SMOKEY "Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?"bG.W. Bush Florence, S.C., Jan. 11, 2000B ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 23:04:44 EST From: RockinRonD@aol.com Subject: [RS] Guess Who? Okay, so who is going to be the first to start bugging RonG about telling us which professional musical artist is the "lying manipulative jerk" that he no longer is a fan of? My guess: Liberace. RibbinRon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 23:00:06 -0500 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: [RS] Cold Missouri Waters Janet wrote: >> THere is an interesting program on the history channel today that talks alot about the fire in "COld Missouri Waters". Too bad they didn't play the song to go with the piece. >> Cool. At one time Sherman Alexie was working on a screenplay of _Young Men and Fire_ (the book CMW is based on). Given his friendship with Dar, it was likely that the song would be included. Alas, he abandoned the project. If you haven't read it, you should read YM&F. It's a little repetitive in places but is an amazing account of what really did happen & the search for the facts. Norman ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V3 #93 **********************************