From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V3 #64 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Monday, February 26 2001 Volume 03 : Number 064 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] For Shawn [RockinRonD@aol.com] [RS] For $hawn [Rongrittz@aol.com] [RS] Undies? Nope, indies... and the trouble with labels [jcolb ] [RS] john kruth@ acme underground this wednesday feb. 28 - 8pm ["John Kru] Re: [RS] Folk Music [Rongrittz@aol.com] Re: [RS] Folk Music [Jeff Gilson ] Re: [RS] Folk Music ["Norman A. Johnson" ] Re: Re: [RS] Folk Music [Elwestrand ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:17:54 EST From: RockinRonD@aol.com Subject: [RS] For Shawn For the record, I was never among those who condemned Shawn Colvin for "selling out" when "Sunny Came Home" crossed over into mainstream and became a mega-hit. As then, I think it a tremendous song, with a super arrangement that has universal appeal. Shawn never sounded better. I even like the majority of the album. Ron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:43:28 EST From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: [RS] For $hawn >> Shawn never sounded better. I even like the majority of the album. << Then you -- and other Shawn fans -- should be happy to know that she has a new CD coming out in March, along with three shows at the Bottom Line, the 20th through the 22nd. The only downside: the tickets are $35. $35!?!?!?!? I was fully prepared to accept spending $25 for concerts, but THIRTY FIVE DOLLARS?? PLUS the Bottom Line's five dollar bottles of beer? Geez. RG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:56:27 -0500 From: jcolb Subject: [RS] Undies? Nope, indies... and the trouble with labels > I firmly believe that the Acoustic Music community ought to create its own > awards. There's just too much talent out there that goes unrecognized. Isn't there an annual awards thing for the independent labels... ? Um, NIMM, or something like that? > > > The "Contemporary Folk" Grammy category that was established years ago, while > taking great steps in the right direction, muddies the discussion even > further. Johnny Cash and Emmylou Harris . . . Folk music? In what bizarre, > alternate universe are they Folk? There's the damn problem with labels anyway. Way too constraining... to me, Green World as a whole (and understand, I'm not Dar-bashing at all) is really not what I think of as folk. Now, her solo versions of most of these songs likely would be...and yet, that's all I know how to classify it. And while I think of Johnny Cash as both a demi-god and a country performer, a lot of his (amphetimine-crazed!) output from the early sixties- the concept albums covered in the bear family "ride this train." compilation.. for instance, the song "hardin wouldn't run" pops into my head immediately... and his first american records release is as folk as most of the, er, folk, I've bought in the last few years. (Hey, just out of curiosity, it seems to me like Cash may have been the first big name to do a solo acoustic segment of a full band performance... for what that's worth.) So as close as I'm coming for a description of what I like is "acoustic-oriented emotionally-charged singer-songwriter music with a minimal production and/or live performance feel." Sheesh... I think I'll stick to "front porch music." Boy, that sounds marketable... Jim Colbert somewhere near bellefonte PA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:14:15 EST From: SMOKEY596@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] For $hawn >>>Then you -- and other Shawn fans -- should be happy to know that she has a new CD coming out in March, along with three shows at the Bottom Line, the 20th through the 22nd. The only downside: the tickets are $35.<<< I'm not a fan of Shawn's really, but I have heard the first single off of the new CD, "Whole New You", and I really like it! I may just break down and buy this one. SMOKEY ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:47:58 -0500 From: Elwestrand Subject: [RS] Folk Music To me, anything described as "folk" means that it is of the people. That is something that the "average" person can participate in without great resources or education. In art, folk artists work without training and use media that they can afford and easily access without great resources. In food, the dishes are basic, rice and meat (OK Clary - rice and vegetables), noodles, soup etc. Not complicated French cuisine with truffle oil, and intense and complicated preparation. I think of folk music in the same way; anyone can do it, it doesn't require heavy training or expensive resources. It also lends itself to extremely portable instruments. Many traditional folk musicians have started on guitars they made themselves out of junk. So I think folk music is something anyone can do. Now of course, some people do it better than others, and it is not necessarily simple, but it can be. If it takes machines and overdubbing or a pipe organ, it is probably not what I would consider true folk. But that doesn't mean that I won't like it. And I have no problem with artists who cross all over the lines. I think TGW is an amazing album, but by classification I would call it Rock or Pop. Now as someone mentioned, if Dar performs these songs with just her guitar, it shifts back to folk (and btw I can't wait to hear the songs this way). IMHO, E ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:33:25 -0500 From: "John Kruth" Subject: [RS] john kruth@ acme underground this wednesday feb. 28 - 8pm hey it's gig time again folks! i'll be very live @ the acme underground this wednesday night feb. 28th @ 8 pm with dave dreiwitz on bass and steve bear on pots, pans and watering can - the acme is located @ 9 great jones st. between lafayette and broadway - hope you can make it!!! jdk 212 677 - 6963 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:28:30 EST From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Folk Music >> I think TGW is an amazing album, but by classification I would call it Rock or Pop. Now as someone mentioned, if Dar performs these songs with just her guitar, it shifts back to folk (and btw I can't wait to hear the songs this way). << But wouldn't that imply that folk music is simply about the instrumentation, and that once you add a band, it no longer qualifies? I've heard Rock songs done with simply an acoustic guitar, and Folk songs done with a band, so . . . well . . . to me, the jury's still out on what makes Folk. Of course, I'll repeat what NJ folkie Mike Agranoff told me a million years ago: "If it takes more than one trip from the car to carry in your equipment, it ain't folk music." RG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:01:50 -0500 From: Jeff Gilson Subject: Re: [RS] Folk Music RonG wrote: >Of course, I'll repeat what NJ folkie Mike Agranoff told me a million >years ago: "If it takes more than one trip from the car to carry in your >equipment, it ain't folk music." On the other hand, one of the folkies we had play at Skidmore had a box full of equipment he used to "make my acoustic guitar sound like an acoustic guitar". jeff. - -- And if you ask me for the truth I will tell you only this that I have loved no other quite like this --Beth Amsel - -- (an index of free radical activity) http://www.onefreeradical.com/Journal/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:08:32 -0500 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: Re: [RS] Folk Music RonG said: >>But wouldn't that imply that folk music is simply about the instrumentation, and that once you add a band, it no longer qualifies? I've heard Rock songs done with simply an acoustic guitar, and Folk songs done with a band, so . . . well . . . to me, the jury's still out on what makes Folk. >> Richard's latest album is just as band driven as Dar's. Richard often tours with a band. (On a personal note, I like Richard better solo or maybe just him and Larry). Would you not then say Richard isn't folk? Norman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:17:59 -0500 From: Elwestrand Subject: Re: Re: [RS] Folk Music ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag - ---- On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Rongrittz@aol.com (Rongrittz@aol.com) wrote: > >> I think TGW is an amazing album, but by classification I would call > it Rock or Pop. Now as someone mentioned, if Dar performs these songs > with just her guitar, it shifts back to folk (and btw I can't wait to > hear the songs this way). << > > But wouldn't that imply that folk music is simply about the > instrumentation, and that once you add a band, it no longer qualifies? That depends on whether you are adding an accoustic band - a fiddle player and a guy with a jug or a bunch of electonic musicians with effects peddles. > Of course, I'll repeat what NJ folkie Mike Agranoff told me a million > years ago: "If it takes more than one trip from the car to carry in your > equipment, it ain't folk music." See ya disagree with me and then you back me up! Maybe this is a confusing thread! Wait I am having an epiphany. Its not the musicians that make it folk - its the songs. A great folk song sounds great with no help from electronics. It doesn't demand a fabulous musician or singer, it stands alone! You can dress it up as much as you want to, but you don't have too. OK enough pontificating for one day. Can't promise you anything about tomorrow! E ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V3 #64 **********************************