From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V3 #54 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Wednesday, February 21 2001 Volume 03 : Number 054 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [RS] Stealing Heaven [HEYJC01@aol.com] Re: [RS] Stealing Heaven [patrick t power ] [RS] it's a small twisted little world (not directly shindell related) [] Re: [RS] Stealing Heaven ["Shelley DePaul" ] RE: [RS] Stealing Heaven ["Clary, John (CLRY)" ] [RS] The gospel accoding to Mary M. ["Norman A. Johnson" ] Re: [RS] The gospel accoding to Mary M. [TRNMT@aol.com] [RS] Re: Cheri Knight [Tom926@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 05:54:17 EST From: HEYJC01@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Stealing Heaven Never read the book, although I recognize the names from Richard's songs. Whats the story on Abelard and Heliose anyway? Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 07:08:55 -0500 From: patrick t power Subject: Re: [RS] Stealing Heaven Norman posed: <> I've neither read the book nor seen the film, but here is a link to a slideshow of images from the film, with some explanatory text. http://www.execpc.com/~pewter/Derek_de_Lint/film_tv/stealing_heaven/pics_ sounds.htm Pat ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 08:36:44 -0500 From: jcolb Subject: [RS] it's a small twisted little world (not directly shindell related) I see yesterdays digest mention both Abelard and Heliose, and down by the water, which listeners and readers of the C3 chord pages will note, contains the word "sluice..." How do they tie together, you cry? We need more folk versions of those six degrees of Kevin Bacon things? Folk singer Art Thieme from the Chicago area, whom I believe no longer plays because of MS- recorded two older folk tunes in the seventies- that's PD, pre-digital for you young 'uns- "the state of illinois:" ...her men are all like Abelard, her women like Heliose (pronunciation skewed a bit to rhyme with illinois...and likely written by someone not entirely familiar with the tale!) and "Red Iron Ore," which is the only other time I've ever heard the word sluice in a song: "...some went to sluicing/each man to his trade..." Now everybody sing (ron, gimme the chords!) It's a small world after all, it's a small world after all... Jim Colbert State College PA and listening to katy moffat ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 12:06:57 -0500 From: "Shelley DePaul" Subject: Re: [RS] Stealing Heaven Yes, I' read it! A very moving account of the story. I agree with the review, though, that the movie was weak. My favorite historical treatment of the story is Will Durant's in his "Age of Faith" -Volume IV in the "Story of Civilization Series." - pps.931-948. Durant is very readable. Not dry history at all! A great summary of medieval theological thought, Abelard's role in it, and, of course, the love story. There's also and interesting, moving version of the Mary Magdelene story "According To Mary Magdelene" by Marianne Fredriksson, who is well-versed in the gnostic gospels and the in role Magdelene played as Jesus' friend and disciple. (Amazon link below.) http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/107-2360243-1806106 You guys ARE aware that Mary Magdelene wrote a gospel? Here is a quotation from it I thought you might find interesting. Peter said to him, "since you have explained everything to us, tell us this also: What is the sin of the world?" The Savior said, "There is no sin..." Sound familiar? Shelley - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman A. Johnson" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 2:58 AM Subject: [RS] Stealing Heaven > Has anyone read "Stealing Heaven" by Marion Meade? It's about our friends > Abelard and Heliose. > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1569470111/qid=982655991/sr=1-1/ref=s > c_b_1/107-4644387-0922120 > > Norman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:04:56 -0800 From: "Clary, John (CLRY)" Subject: RE: [RS] Stealing Heaven Shelley asked: >> You guys ARE aware that Mary Magdelene wrote a gospel? << I was not aware until I saw A&E's Biography special on her last year. Seem the church in Rome buried lots of writings. Very enlightening and I spent the entire show waiting for Richard's song to be played. It was not but it should have been. John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:56:17 -0500 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: [RS] The gospel accoding to Mary M. Shelley wrote: >> You guys ARE aware that Mary Magdelene wrote a gospel? >> Yes! That came up in one of our discussions of "Mary M" but that was awhile ago. As I recall, the early Christians weren't all too happy about Mary having such a prominent role so they rewrote her as a prostitute. Does anyone know when that happened? >>Here is a quotation from it I thought you might find interesting. Peter said to him, "since you have explained everything to us, tell us this also: What is the sin of the world?" The Savior said, "There is no sin..." >> Thanks for the quote. Appropriate, eh? Norman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:57:36 -0500 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: [RS] Blue Divide I just realized today the double meaning of "Blue Divide". Blue = the ocean but Blue also represents the sadness. As Homer would say "D'OH" Norman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:42:58 EST From: TRNMT@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] The gospel accoding to Mary M. In a message dated 2/20/01 5:16:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, njohnson@ent.umass.edu writes: > >> You guys ARE aware that Mary Magdelene wrote a gospel? >> > > Yes! That came up in one of our discussions of "Mary M" but that was awhile > ago. > > As I recall, the early Christians weren't all too happy about Mary having > such a prominent role so they rewrote her as a prostitute. Does anyone know > when that happened? > > Check out http://www.magdalene.org. That's from whence I got a bunch o' stuff during that discussion. Nancy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:32:29 EST From: Tom926@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: Cheri Knight Well Norman, egg on face for me. I actually OWN "The Knitter." I thought the "Down by the Water" referred to was a cover of the PJ Harvey song. This is what happens when you own 2000+ cds. Now "The Knitter" is very good and worth running out RIGHT NOW and getting, but her next cd, "The Northeast Kingdom" was one of my three favorite cds from 1998 (the others being Rufus Wainwright's eponymous debut cd and Tanita Tikaram's "the cappucino songs"). She is this great ballad singer: her voice has the same kind of stateliness and dignity that Linda Thompson had. She was also in a great and much missed group called Blood Oranges that mixed bluegrass and punk/rock in really wonderful ways. If you can find it, get your hands immediately on "The Crying Tree," from 1993. She does this absolutely wonderful ballad called "Shine." So after reading your post, I immediately grabbed the Cry3 cd, the two Cheryl cds and the Blood Oranges cd and binged like a bulemic after the diet pills have worn off. And I must agree that Cheryl's version of "Down by the Water" IS better. Though I still love the folky version of "Fall on Me." By the way, Cheryl does something really interesting: she owns and runs a flower farm. Pretty cool. Now if only she would cover the PJ Harvey song... Tom ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V3 #54 **********************************