From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V2 #361 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Monday, December 4 2000 Volume 02 : Number 361 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [RS] Oh My G*d! ["Clary, John (CLRY)" ] [RS] List ["Sally Green" ] RE: [RS] List ["Clary, John (CLRY)" ] RE: [RS] List ["Dupas, Edward (E.M.)" ] RE: [RS] List ["Clary, John (CLRY)" ] RE: [RS] List ["Dupas, Edward (E.M.)" ] RE: [RS] List [Rongrittz@aol.com] RE: [RS] List ["Dupas, Edward (E.M.)" ] [RS] Review of SNP [Laurel Rezeau ] [RS] Mary Magdalen [patrick t power ] Re: [RS] Review of SNP [Rongrittz@aol.com] [RS] Mary ["Norman A. Johnson" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:06:58 -0800 From: "Clary, John (CLRY)" Subject: RE: [RS] Oh My G*d! Ed is confounded: >> Alright. What is the reason for leaving out the middle letter in the word "God?" I have seen some of you doing it and have to admit I am ignorant about why this is done. Will someone please clue me in on this email etiquette? << This bugs me some. I thought we were more secure than the folks on the vehicular news groups =) The Ford guys can't bear to spell Chevy and the Jeeps guys can't spell Toyota. I do whole-heartedly condone the use of (and do myself use) "god" on this list as I no longer ascribe a persona or gender to the term. Also, for religious Jews, spelling or speaking their deity's name is forbidden. It may be out of respect for them. If that's the case, I will start using it here out of respect. j a c ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 14:26:16 -0500 From: "Sally Green" Subject: [RS] List jenna wrote: <<<<< And while I'm posting, can I just say how much I really really really love this list? I rarely speak up here, and it's not really for lack of anything to say. It's just that you guys say it all so eloquently that I enjoy reading everyone's mature, thoughtful and insightful discussions so much that I rarely feel the need to pipe up. I'm on quite a few lists, all the usual folkie subjects, and I know I can always turn to this one for some intelligence. Especially when I am procrastinating. >>>>> This prompts me to talk about my post from a couple of days ago - I love this list too and think that we're a great bunch of people! I knew there was a reason that I asked RonG to be the co-admin and handle stuff like writing the FAQ and keep discussion moving. Sorry if it seemed like I was trying to squelch discussion - I'll have to go reread all the posts and figure out why the thread had the effect on me that it did (i.e. why I thought the shindell-list was getting into a rut of criticizing other artists). I certainly hope that everyone continues to post in the awesome way they have been doing in the last several months! - --Sally sallyagreen@hotmail.com _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:53:32 -0800 From: "Clary, John (CLRY)" Subject: RE: [RS] List >> This prompts me to talk about my post from a couple of days ago... << Thank you S***y and R*n for being such gracious hosts (esess). Who am I that you would incline your eyes to what I type? But seriously, Sally, I like the balance you and Ron strike in fostering the environment in which we are so comfortable to speak our minds. With the one exception of being labeled "Wine Boy" (which I deserved, I guess, sorry Dar), I have never felt like we are harshly moderated. This is a pretty safe forum as net-forums go and I'm glad that everyone here isn't a clone of myself (or Ron for that matter =). j * c ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:12:36 -0500 From: "Dupas, Edward (E.M.)" Subject: RE: [RS] List Why "Wine Boy"? - -----Original Message----- From: Clary, John (CLRY) [mailto:CLRY@chevron.com] Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 2:54 PM To: 'shindell-list@smoe.org' Subject: RE: [RS] List >> This prompts me to talk about my post from a couple of days ago... << Thank you S***y and R*n for being such gracious hosts (esess). Who am I that you would incline your eyes to what I type? But seriously, Sally, I like the balance you and Ron strike in fostering the environment in which we are so comfortable to speak our minds. With the one exception of being labeled "Wine Boy" (which I deserved, I guess, sorry Dar), I have never felt like we are harshly moderated. This is a pretty safe forum as net-forums go and I'm glad that everyone here isn't a clone of myself (or Ron for that matter =). j * c ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:30:29 -0600 From: "Clary, John (CLRY)" Subject: RE: [RS] List Ed asked: >> Why "Wine Boy"? << Remember, right after TGW came out, I invited Dar over to get re-acquainted with the acoustic guitar and a bottle of wine, and I said she was 'cute' and then all hell broke loose? And then _someone_ said Richard could eat crackers in HIS bed anytime, etc...Well, Dar's ex-boyfriend was reading and labeled me "wine-boy" because of my tone and the wine thing. Like I said, I probably deserved that. j a c (Oh don't let this get over to the Dar list...the ex-BOYfriend thing I mean) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:42:15 -0500 From: "Dupas, Edward (E.M.)" Subject: RE: [RS] List <> Damn, I have a bad feeling I'm the one who made the cracker comment. Curse my fetishes. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 15:57:18 EST From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: RE: [RS] List >> Damn, I have a bad feeling I'm the one who made the cracker comment. Curse my fetishes. << And all this right after we've spoken about how focused this list is on the music, and complimented for what a nice place it is. Back to regularly-scheduled Shindell-list conversation, please. RG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:17:03 -0500 From: "Dupas, Edward (E.M.)" Subject: RE: [RS] List <> Oh, sorry. I thought it was abundantly clear to all on the list that my comments were only a metaphor for the song "Abuelita." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:24:21 -0800 From: Laurel Rezeau Subject: [RS] Review of SNP This review might have been posted before, but in case not, here's the URL: http://folkmusic.about.com/musicperform/folkmusic/library/reviews/bl_rev_shindellr.htm It's by Hugh Blumenfeld, who is a singer/songwriter himself. It's an interesting review, but he seems to have missed that "My Love Will Follow You" and "Calling the Moon" were not written by Richard. Seems like an odd mistake for someone who is a songwriter to make. Oh, and for a little Dave and Tracy content, Hugh thinks TT is a masterpiece. - --Laurel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:39:49 -0500 From: patrick t power Subject: [RS] Mary Magdalen About the line "It was either his career or mine...", Ron commented: < . . . It's similar to the way they laugh at the "They could barely move" line in Dar's "Mortal City" or the "I'm glad he didn't check" line from "When I Was a Boy." Hey, this is serious stuff.>> While these songs are, in fact, fairly serious by nature, I agree with several others that these lines are intended to lighten up the songs somewhat. The line in "The Ballad Of Mary Magdalen" that more often than not brings a smile to *my* face is "Jesus loved/loves me, this I know", because it takes a tiny little stab at strict, unbending religious types. Pat ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 18:53:55 EST From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Review of SNP << It's by Hugh Blumenfeld, who is a singer/songwriter himself. It's an interesting review, but he seems to have missed that "My Love Will Follow You" and "Calling the Moon" were not written by Richard. Seems like an odd mistake for someone who is a songwriter to make. >> Yeah, I recall a short discussion here when the review first came out. I not only find it strange that Hugh -- who I consider to be a good guy -- would get those facts wrong, but would also be so generally uncomplimentary about Richard's CD, especially because I thought the two were friends. Look, I can understand not liking everything that someone puts out -- heck, I consider Hugh's "Rocket Science" to be all but unlistenable -- but it sure seems to be a difficult position he put himself in with that public criticism of a fellow folkie. RG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 21:29:38 -0500 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: [RS] Mary I wrote: << I would say that Richard's song is a response to Kazantzakis rather than being based on his works. _The Last Temptation of Christ_ focuses on the development of Jesus' character. He starts off as a real wimp, BTW. Mary is seen through his eyes. Richard's song is Jesus seen through Mary's eyes. >> Tom responded: >>Well Norman, Richard attended a seminary and I am sure he is well aware that the question of whether Mary Magdalen and Jesus were lovers/married has a very very long history that predates the Kazantzakis book. >> I agree. I also seem to recall an interview where Richard said he was inspired by Kazantzakis, or to be more precise, by the reaction of the Catholic Church to the movie. Anyone know of this? Pat wrote: >> The line in "The Ballad Of Mary Magdalen" that more often than not brings a smile to *my* face is "Jesus loved/loves me, this I know", because it takes a tiny little stab at strict, unbending religious types. >> I agree. As far as I know, it was Dar who changed the "loved" to "love" at the end (she does it both on the Cry3 and the "Che Lives" CDs). It's a nice touch. Norman ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V2 #361 ***********************************