From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V2 #358 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Sunday, December 3 2000 Volume 02 : Number 358 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] All the lonely people [j a clary ] Re: [RS] All the lonely people [Rongrittz@aol.com] [RS] Re: for Sally [Rongrittz@aol.com] Re: [RS] All the lonely people [Loracevoll@aol.com] [RS] Re: for Sally [Loracevoll@aol.com] Re: [RS] Re: for Sally [patrick t power ] Re: [RS] Speaking of breathtaking . . . [patrick t power ] Re: [RS] Music is personal ["Joe Lanzalotto" ] Re: [RS] Music is personal ["Susan Koval" ] [RS] It's Your List...Have Some Fun [RockinRonD@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 04:31:51 -0800 From: j a clary Subject: [RS] All the lonely people Norman was thinking: > that "Eleanor Rigby" would be a great song for Richard to cover. Any thoughts? << I think it's a great idea. AND I think he should do it in low C tuning just to shake it up a bit. Can you imagine what Larry could do on this with fiddles and mandolins? OK, I know, it doesn't need to be recorded to be covered...I can hear Richard as a lonely person singing this all by himself...keeping his heart in a jar by the door, darning his socks in the night, wiping the dirt from his hands. j a c ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 08:38:27 EST From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] All the lonely people << I can hear Richard as a lonely person singing this all by himself...keeping his heart in a jar by the door, darning his socks in the night, wiping the dirt from his hands. >> Except that in a Richard Shindell song, the protagonist would LITERALLY keep a heart in a jar by the door. Mary Ann's, no doubt. RG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 08:47:35 EST From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: for Sally << So I say let the debate rage on. People in this world tend not to be passionate about much. So it is a real little perk to my day to open up an email from this posting site and hear a debate rage on about this singer or that. I mean, I for one would never have heard of Dave and Tracy or Kathryn Williams without it. And that debate has made me, for instance, really look at how RS builds a song from some narrative detail. Not something that I would probably have looked at without the debates raging on this list. >> While Sally and I may agree to disagree on this, I, too, love the music debates, especially if it helps gives the often low-key Shindell-list a pulse. But actually, I tend to think that what takes place here are "discussions," rather than debates. The wonderful thing about what we have here -- as opposed to some other lists -- is that here, it never gets personal. Listers don't flame other listers for their opinions, as in "You're an idiot for liking (fill in singer's name) or voting for (fill in Ralph Nader's name)." It's like the point Sally made that my reaction to "The Honesty Room" says more about me and what resonates with me than it does about Dar Williams' writing and musical ability and "The Green World." Exactly!! I mean, if you're to understand the thought process behind my strong musical opinions, isn't it important for you to understand what type of music both does and does NOT move me, so that my Richard Shindell-Kris Delmhorst-Dave Carter-GOOD, Joan Baez-Mary Chapin Carpenter-Susan Werner-BAD posts have some context? To paraphrase Tom's thoughts, if we only ever wrote about the music we liked, then we'd have no point of reference, as our opinions would be happening in isolation. So as long as we keep our strong opinions about the music, and not about each other, and those opinions generate some spirited conversation, I say "No harm, no foul." RG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 09:34:00 EST From: Loracevoll@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] All the lonely people In a message dated 12/03/2000 4:32:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, drewclary@juno.com writes: > .keeping his heart in a jar by the door Isn't the lyric "wearing a face that she keeps in a jar by the door"?? (ie "make-up") ....Carol (wondering if there are some closet Hannibal Lechters on this list.... ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 09:36:11 EST From: Loracevoll@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: for Sally In a message dated 12/03/2000 5:53:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, Rongrittz@aol.com writes: > or voting for (fill in > Ralph Nader's name)." LOL!! You just don't flich from controversy, do ya?????? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 10:22:52 -0500 From: patrick t power Subject: Re: [RS] Re: for Sally Tom wrote: <> There is an interview of Dar in the latest "Performing Songwriter" magazine. If anyone's interested in reading it let me know. Pat ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 10:25:11 -0500 From: patrick t power Subject: Re: [RS] Speaking of breathtaking . . . Adding to my rave about Procol Harum's "Whaling Stories", Howie wrote: <> More specifically, I was speaking of the version of this song as recorded with the Edmonton Philharmonic Orchestra. Stunning! Pat ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 10:52:26 -0500 From: patrick t power Subject: [RS] My last take on Procol Harum I've not listened to Procol Harum in some time (a couple years perhaps) since I don't have any of their recordings on CD (although I have most of their LPs), but I just checked out the website Howie posted yesterday and read some of Keith Reid's lyrics. Wow! It's poetry -- sheer poetry. Pat ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 11:21:32 -0500 From: "Joe Lanzalotto" Subject: Re: [RS] Music is personal > I know Richard doesn't tour all the time, and that he doesn't play new songs > all the time, and that he doesn't have a new CD coming out every year, so > there's not always new stuff on that front to talk about, but let's please > try to keep it clean, folks. > > --Sally, co-admin and tough as nails > sallyagreen@hotmail.com As a newcomer to this list, but one who spends plenty of time on the Quicksilver list and some on the jefferson Airplane list, I have to say that THIS place is plenty clean and intellectually stimulating. Most posts are pretty well thought out and there sppears to be little in the way of undercurrents of personal animosity, etc. By the way, fom my perspective RS tours ALL the time, given his living arrangements and releases albums often enough - when he has something to say and he feels the songs are ready. I've seen him about a dozen times and never been disappointed, even when he failedto play Summer Wind. My 2 cents. Joe Lanzalotto ____________________________________________________________________________ _________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 11:29:31 -0500 From: "Susan Koval" Subject: Re: [RS] Music is personal I agree with Joe, Tom, and Ron G that the RS place should continue to be a place where we come together to discuss music in an intelligent and interesting way, including not only Richard's music but the music of others, music that they both like and dislike. (John Denver's "Relatively Speaking" fits well with the comments Ron and Tom were making.) I think it's great to agree to disagree, especially because people on this list tend to explain their opinions and not just say "that stinks." That's what makes it so interesting and enlightening and educational. I think that's what we all have in common because we are fans of Richard's music. Sue K "Joe Lanzalotto" on 12/03/2000 11:21:32 AM Please respond to shindell-list@smoe.org To: shindell-list@smoe.org cc: (bcc: Susan Koval/Telcordia) Subject: Re: [RS] Music is personal > I know Richard doesn't tour all the time, and that he doesn't play new songs > all the time, and that he doesn't have a new CD coming out every year, so > there's not always new stuff on that front to talk about, but let's please > try to keep it clean, folks. > > --Sally, co-admin and tough as nails > sallyagreen@hotmail.com As a newcomer to this list, but one who spends plenty of time on the Quicksilver list and some on the jefferson Airplane list, I have to say that THIS place is plenty clean and intellectually stimulating. Most posts are pretty well thought out and there sppears to be little in the way of undercurrents of personal animosity, etc. By the way, fom my perspective RS tours ALL the time, given his living arrangements and releases albums often enough - when he has something to say and he feels the songs are ready. I've seen him about a dozen times and never been disappointed, even when he failedto play Summer Wind. My 2 cents. Joe Lanzalotto ____________________________________________________________________________ _________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 12:25:48 EST From: RockinRonD@aol.com Subject: [RS] It's Your List...Have Some Fun I just had to share this with the rest of you on this List. It appears in the Long Island section of today's (Sunday) New York Times in the Benefits/Gala listings under the THIS WEEK heading. I copy it verbatim: GARDEN CITY -- "Holiday Concert" with St. Agnes Cathedral Choir of Men and Boys. Chorale and Schola, Frank Crosio, organist, others; American Cancer Society; 7:30 PM Saturday; St. Joseph's Church, Fifth Street, 516-747-3535. So, anyone from here going? LOL. Buses will be leaving from New Jersey at twilight. Last night I had the extreme pleasure of hearing Rani Arbo (former lead singer of Salamander Crossing) and her new band, Daisy Mayhem. The hugely talented Andrew Kinsey is part of DM, the only holdover from SC. My God, just amazing. Arbo is without a doubt one of the premier vocalists in the acoustic music world and a pretty inventive fiddler as well. The band did everything from a vintage Fats Waller swing tune to a Joe Thompson southern blues ballad. In between they kept going from Appalachian dirges to jazzy torch songs to classic folk to great sounding Newgrass. I was enthralled and the audience gave the group two standing ovations. Rani told me her most immediate project is to record a CD of swing music CD and after that to go into the studio and hammer out the debut Rani Arbo and Daisy Mayhem album. If these folks come to a town near you -- DO NOT MISS THEM. If you don't think they are one of the most phenomenal new acoustic groups you've ever seen afterward I will refund your money for you. And I mean it. RavinRon ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V2 #358 ***********************************