From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V2 #356 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Saturday, December 2 2000 Volume 02 : Number 356 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] touring careers and life choices ["sharon g" ] Re: [RS] the girls with mature guitars [Rongrittz@aol.com] Re: [RS] the girls with mature guitars [patrick t power ] [RS] What you hear is what you get [j a clary ] [RS] Music is personal ["Sally Green" ] Re: [RS] Carrie Newcomer ["Norman A. Johnson" ] [RS] Ladies and Gentlemen... The Beatles ["Norman A. Johnson" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 21:25:42 From: "sharon g" Subject: [RS] touring careers and life choices to repsond to RONG.. i think that the honorable choices that richard shindell has made to his family and this life beyond music is what keeps him from reaching larger audiences.. it is not unlike the women with touring careers have to make (those who want to have a child) shawn colvin has had limited touring for two years while she raises her daughter.. chapin NO kids.. dar will have an accidental pregnancy.. at some point as she says.. lucy kaplansky NO kids. just RICK.. the big kid he is.. patty larkin.. no kids.. cheryl wheeler NO kids.. sorry a parcel of pets and a loving mate the nields sisters NO KIDS emmylou.. raised her kids linda ronstadt. did not tour while her children were under 3 carie curtis NO KIDS pete and maura kennedy NO KIDS.. ani defranco.. no kids joan raised lots and kids and still is raising em.. barbara kessler had a house in framingham mass and kids... and what kid of touring career... and the men... GREG brown..loves his kids and is compromised too GORKA.. two kids.. cliff.. non i know of... ellis paul NO Kids he knows of.. this field is still sexist... sharon _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 16:38:32 EST From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] the girls with mature guitars << a G_D decended .. who writes based on a NOVEL.. richard shindell?? >> Um, how about "The Ballad of Mary Magdalene?" I figure the Bible is pretty novel. ;-) RG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 16:48:35 -0500 From: patrick t power Subject: Re: [RS] the girls with mature guitars Sharon and Ron vollied: <<<< a G_D decended .. who writes based on a NOVEL.. richard shindell?? >> Um, how about "The Ballad of Mary Magdalene?" I figure the Bible is pretty novel.>> It seemed to me that Richard based this on Nikos Kazantzakis' "The Last Temptation of Christ". (Or at least was inspired by it.) Pat ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 17:08:07 -0500 From: patrick t power Subject: Re: [RS] Re: the year in music John pondered: < . . . I have been told that I write very plainly and don't cloak my ideas in a way that makes people reach for what I'm saying. You always know what you're getting from a John Clary lyric. I'm sue that's why we love Dar & Richard's songs so much and why I still have my day job.>> Actually, there is a lot to say for both styles of writing. One of my favorite writers who basically writes "What-you-hear-is-what-you-get" songs is Loudon Wainwright III. If you get the chance, his CD "History" is an absolute masterpiece in the art of writing *directly* to issues of the heart. Another of my favorites who writes in a similar expository fashion is Ilene Weiss. "Woman Of A Calm Heart" is one of the most wondrous songs I have *ever* heard. (It happens also to be covered by Anne Hills on her CD of the same name.) Pat ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 15:16:22 -0800 From: j a clary Subject: [RS] What you hear is what you get Pat added: >> Actually, there is a lot to say for both styles of writing...<< I'll check out Louden, thanks. I guess I have written my share of sappy love songs & break-up songs -- these work really well in this style. The non-RS song that touched me most in 2000 is Rick & Lucy's "If You Could See." This couple writes songs that say what I want to say in words that I would use. I know I only discovered Lucy's music this year, but she is among my all time top singers. I never noticed until this year all the recordings I've heard her on. I guess my list this year would also include Ray Wiley Hubbard's Crusades of the Restless Knights; released in 99 but I got it in 00. If you like it dirty and acoustic and enjoy the post-religious imagery RS uses, you'll like this too. Very spiritual but not religious at all, very dark but good stuff. j a c ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 18:40:56 -0500 From: "Sally Green" Subject: [RS] Music is personal Ron "True" Grittz wrote: <<>> Ron, you said earlier in your post that music is a personal thing, which I totally agree with. Maybe your reaction to Dar's music since THE HONESTY ROOM says more about you and what resonates with you than it does about Dar's writing and musical ability and THE GREEN WORLD. Just a thought. Okay, and lest our lovely list turn into "Why other artists don't grab me like Richard does," let's try to gently keep in mind that our topic on this list is Richard Shindell's music. I agree with Elwestrand that if you like golden retrievers, it doesn't make them any more beautiful to say that a German shepard is an ugly dog. And it makes me a little sad, honestly, that the RS list might gain a reputation as a snarky place where the members talk negatively about artists they feel have "sold out" or haven't evolved. This recurring thread appears to be what the sexual orientation thread is to the Dar list - people fight, everybody has a strong opinion, and it keeps coming up every few months. I know Richard doesn't tour all the time, and that he doesn't play new songs all the time, and that he doesn't have a new CD coming out every year, so there's not always new stuff on that front to talk about, but let's please try to keep it clean, folks. - --Sally, co-admin and tough as nails sallyagreen@hotmail.com _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 21:13:24 -0500 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: Re: [RS] Carrie Newcomer Smokey wrote: >>Is anyone out there a fan of Carrie Newcomer? I'm not, really, even tho she's been playing around Bloomington for many years. But I did see her a couple of months ago here at a concert for her new CD release. >> I like Carrie. I recently bought her album-- AGE OF POSSIBILITY and was a bit disappointed. The best songs on it are already on her live album, BARE TO THE BONE. It may grow on me. Norman ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 21:33:10 -0500 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: [RS] Ladies and Gentlemen... The Beatles Carol wrote: >>I think the new '1' CD kicks butt. But then I'm comparing a popping LP to a CD and I'm not a tech-head. It's just really cool to hear their sound evolve all on one album. From "Love Me Do" to "The Long and Winding Road". The only song I really miss is "Norwegian Wood". I guess it never hit #1 in the states. >> DOUBLE FANTASY, that "Yoko Ono album with special guests" was recently re-released. I got it to replace my very old cassette tape version. I was thinking that "Eleanor Rigby" would be a great song for Richard to cover. Any thoughts? Norman ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 21:57:07 EST From: Loracevoll@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Ladies and Gentlemen... The Beatles In a message dated 12/02/2000 6:44:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, njohnson@ent.umass.edu writes: > > I was thinking that "Eleanor Rigby" would be a great song for Richard to > cover. Any thoughts? In the words of Meg Ryan: Yes!! Yes!! Yes!! THAT is a great idea, Norman. Carol...seconding that emotion ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 23:04:21 -0500 From: Howie Subject: Re: [RS] Speaking of breathtaking . . . At 05:05 PM 12/1/2000 -0500, Pat wrote: >The ending of "May" is not only wonderful in its conception as story, but >the vision of the protagonist calling out at the end is one of the most >dramatic musical moments I've ever heard (ranking right up there with the >end of Procol Harum's "Whaling Stories"). Whew! Just THINKING about "Whaling Stories'" ending gives me a rush! There's a great Procol Harum site called "Beyond The Pale" at http://www.procolharum.com which has a great discography and lyrics page (the first three albums' lyrics were checked by Keith Reid, their writer). And Pat any anyone else (IS there anyone else?) who knows Procol Harum's works will enjoy: http://www.procolharum.com/phmisses.htm - -Howie - -- Howie Lyhte howie33@mediaone.net ________________________________________________________________________ If I had a large amount of money I should found a hospital for those whose grip upon the world is so tenuous that they can be severely offended by words and phrases yet remain all unoffended by the injustice, violence and oppression that howls daily about our ears. - Stephen Fry ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V2 #356 ***********************************