From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V2 #322 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Friday, November 10 2000 Volume 02 : Number 322 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [RS] ADMIN: Attention AOL TEST [Deb Woodell ] Re: [RS] Amendmentz [Lisa Davis & family ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 19:48:42 -0800 (PST) From: Deb Woodell Subject: Re: [RS] ADMIN: Attention AOL TEST I'm very behind the times, having finally just installed 5.0 yesterday. Thanks for the warning. Sometimes it pays to procrastinate. Deb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 23:03:15 -0500 From: Lisa Davis & family Subject: Re: [RS] Amendmentz Since I've sometimes joked that I've been a near-stalker of Richard, although 35 shows!!!! not quite, and my husband is, by my account, a bona fide card-carrying (but non-threatening) Lucy stalker, in fact he and 2 friends of his up here I regard as her personal 3-stooges fan club, they wait for her after the show infallibly, they crave a chance to talk to her, be with her etc., Lucy inevitably gives him (said spouse) a big hug and a "Hello Lynden!" -- I can comment: > I think the reason that the line is hard for some to draw is because people don't just engage with the music on some removed, intellectual level--it often does have a real and important effect on the personal lives of those who consume it. So sometimes it's hard to talk to the person who changed your life and treat them like a stranger. But you have to. No you don't. However, you don't have any right to treat them in any particular way if they apparently don't WANT you to, any more than you have the right to visit your unwanted attentions upon any other person. (legal definition of one category of sexual harassment: unwanted touching) Some of us, including but not only performers, are driven partly by the desire for human approval and affection. We like it when we get it. Some of us may actually need it. These probably include politicians! I gather most of us feel Richard can take it or leave it alone, but has no particular *aversion* to being friendly or making connections. Lucy may affirmatively *enjoy* or seek out contact and affection more than Richard. After all, he *quit* seminary, she was a therapist/psychologist until music got too big in her life. I tell my husand he gets free therapy and probably she lets him hang around because she's interested in his psychoses. :) :) But it might be true, eh? I think you can offer friendliness and human contact and let people know what the music meant to you provided it's clear you don't EXPECT (or somehow think you "deserve") anything in return, implied or explicitly. Also, the artist has to recognize that whether or not the story is "about" him/her, it is at the very least about the things he/she *thinks* about, which is a deeper level of communication than many of us engage in on a daily basis, and which creates at least a kind of intellectual intimacy upon which listeners will draw. And finally, while some of us may be a bit pathetic in our desire to make contact with these distant artists (the illusion of intimacy in song and music may seem closer and easier than getting through to the souls of the people around us), it's a bit cruel to despise it, provided it's harmless and doesn't invade the artist's space when (s)he doesn't want it invaded. lisa ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V2 #322 ***********************************