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shindell-list-digest     Friday, October 20 2000     Volume 02 : Number 300



                               Today's Subjects:
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  [RS] Guessing Game - the answer is....  ["Neil Pearson" <neil@fishrecords.]
  [RS] Kerry Question                                    [RockinRonD@aol.com]
  [RS] Way off topic              ["Dupas, Edward (E.M.)" <edupas2@ford.com>]
  [RS] Eureka!                        [Kerry Bernard <kerry@younghunter.com>]
  [RS] Wow, I think I actually know the answer!  [Buffy <buffy9@nora.clara.c]
  [RS] Re: Guessing Game                                   [Gf212121@aol.com]
  Re: [RS] Re: Guessing Game             [patrick t power <ptpower@juno.com>]
  Re: [RS] Way off topic                 [patrick t power <ptpower@juno.com>]
  [RS] Re: Kathryn Williams (again!)     [patrick t power <ptpower@juno.com>]
  Re: Re: [RS] Way off topic            [Elwestrand  <elwestrand@ureach.com>]
  [RS] Lyrics and credits      ["Norman A. Johnson" <njohnson@ent.umass.edu>]

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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:08:11 +0100
From: "Neil Pearson" <neil@fishrecords.co.uk>
Subject: [RS] Guessing Game - the answer is....

Kathryn Williams

2 self released and highly acclaimed albums - the latest (Little Black
Numbers) was the token folkie in the Mercury Music prize in the UK -
needless to say it didn't win.'

Here's the real audio samples we have on the site :

Dog Leap Stairs

http://www.fishrecords.co.uk/audio/leazes.ram
http://www.fishrecords.co.uk/audio/what.ram

Little Black Numbers

http://www.fishrecords.co.uk/audio/soul.ram
http://www.fishrecords.co.uk/audio/felldown.ram

best wishes

Neil
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neil@fishrecords.co.uk
www.fishrecords.co.uk

Suppliers of singer/songwriter, folk and acoustic music
Shrewsbury, England.

tel - 01743 231546     fax - 01743 354354
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 07:42:37 EDT
From: RockinRonD@aol.com
Subject: [RS] Kerry Question

In a message dated 10/20/2000 5:07:28 AM Kerry writes:

 <<The one I'm thinking of is a folkie (I believe the album is almost entirely
 acoustic) and the review I read really raved about the starkness of it.
 I'm a sucker for starkness.>>

  The grinning Dido notwithstanding, you couldn't be talking about the first 
Sinead Lohan album that was never distributed in the US could you?  It is 
stark, almost all acoustic and is a true masterpiece--eons better than the 
second album overproduced by T-Bone Burnett IMO.  And what's wrong with 
grinning anyway?  I mean, Letterman is still funny isn't he? 

   Ron

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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 09:04:47 -0400
From: "Dupas, Edward (E.M.)" <edupas2@ford.com>
Subject: [RS] Way off topic

Sorry about this post, but I'm not on the dar-list...


In the song "We learned the Sea" it sounds as if Dar sings "We've reached
the strait even I could not go through," but the lyrics say "We've reached
the place even I could not go through."  Did anyone notice this?  Is this
one of the "packaging problems" they had with the original release?  It just
seems odd that they'd get it wrong when the music was recorded before the
media was printed.  

- -----Original Message-----
From: Michael Devlin [mailto:thefolks@mmreview.com]
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 12:07 AM
To: shindell-list@smoe.org
Subject: [RS] Vance Gilbert Chat - Prize


I think Richard's fans would be interested in knowing that the Music
Matters Review is holding a web-chat with Vance Gilbert on Sunday
October 29th at 8:00PM. We are having a getting-to-know-you chat on
October 22nd at 8:00PM. If you sign-up for our chat room before this
chat on October 22nd, you will be eligible to win a copy of Darryl
Purpose's CD "Same River Twice."

For details http://www.mmreview.com/Club/clubhelp.htm.

Also, we have a new interview with Dar Williams by RockinRon at
http://www.mmreview.com/Intviews/darint.htm

Thanks!

Mike Devlin
Editor

- -- 
The Music Matters Review
P.O. Box 425
Smithtown, NY 11787

http://www.mmreview.com
thefolks@mmreview.com

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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 12:01:31 -0400
From: Kerry Bernard <kerry@younghunter.com>
Subject: [RS] Eureka!

KATHRYN WILLIAMS!!!!

*phew*

About her first album, "Dog Leap Stairs", Amazon says: "Tagged the New Beth
Orton Or New Drake, this Album is a Collection of Haunting, Melodic Folk."
About her second album, "Little Black Numbers", one Amazon customer wrote:
"I first was made aware of Kathryn Williams in an article in Billboard
which described her current success in England, and described her as a
strong new singer songwriter in the folk/rock genre. Ms. Williams is truly
a great new talent, and listening to her disc reminds me of the first time
I heard Lori Carson's amazing debut Shelter. The lyrics beautiful with
soothing melodies. Ms. Williams voice, style and phrasing allowing true
emotion to seep through. Each song a story onto itself. I strongly
recommend this disc to anyone who enjoys the music of Lori Carson, Dar
Willams, or Patty Griffin."

So, I'll let you guys know what I think!
Kerry :)

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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:38:43 +0100
From: Buffy <buffy9@nora.clara.co.uk>
Subject: [RS] Wow, I think I actually know the answer!

Kerry, 

OK, sorry Kerry....just read my lists for the first time in a couple of
days....HELP IS AT HAND!

I *think* you might mean Kathryn Williams.  She IS an up-and-coming Brit
singer/songwriter from Liverpool, has just been nominated for a Mercury
award (as were Kate Rusby and Eliza Carthy before her) and she has REALLY
curly hair.  Almost as curly as Ms. Rusby's, but not quite.

Could it be her?  

Yours helpfully (although there's every possibility I could be wrong), 
Buffy xxx

P.S.  Paul says if it's right, he helped me identify her and if it's wrong,
he didn't. ;))

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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:35:28 EDT
From: Gf212121@aol.com
Subject: [RS] Re: Guessing Game

Hey you guys,

I've never heard the 'year in bed' story, but I think "Here with Me' by Dido 
features one of the most incredible vocals I have ever heard. I'm a sucker 
for this type of vocalist in general, but Dido and Beth Orton are the best of 
the bunch, for my money.

My knowledge of music theory and terminology is virtually non-existent. That 
said, the bridge, I think it's called (between the end of the first chorus 
and the beginning of the next verse) on 'Here With Me' reminds me a lot of 
'You Stay Here' in its undulating, roller-coaster pattern. Call me crazy, but 
I definitely hear it.

By the way, just 105 days until Richard's live performance of 'The Weather' 
at the Outpost in the Burbs in New Jersey. Make sure you're there for this 
historic event. It will be a co-bill with Lucy. Ron G. assures me this is a 
great place to see a show. I've never been there, but will have by then (for 
Eddie From Ohio on 11/10)

Gene F. (who apologizes for the lack of Dave and Tracy content)

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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:48:19 -0700
From: patrick t power <ptpower@juno.com>
Subject: Re: [RS] Re: Guessing Game

Gene signed off:

<<Gene F. (who apologizes for the lack of Dave and Tracy content)>>

Next Friday . . . Ten Pound Fiddle Coffeehouse . . . East Lansing,
Michigan . . . 8:00pm . . . Dave and Tracy . . . www.tenpoundfiddle.org.

Pat

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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:45:21 -0700
From: patrick t power <ptpower@juno.com>
Subject: Re: [RS] Way off topic

Ed wondered:

<<In the song "We learned the Sea" it sounds as if Dar sings "We've
reached the strait even I could not go through," but the lyrics say
"We've reached the place even I could not go through."  Did anyone notice
this?  Is this one of the "packaging problems" they had with the original
release?  It just seems odd that they'd get it wrong when the music was
recorded before the media was printed.>>

I would guess that the lyrics for the song were given to the printer long
before the songs were actually recorded and that Dar made a substitution
while recording. This isn't all too uncommon.

With regard to the "packaging problems", they were plenty and varied --
some came with rivets (the binding) that popped upon opening; the
alignment of the vellum pages and the paper pages were less than perfect;
one of the pages was upside down. 

If this is what they had in mind when they conceived the idea to produce
it, they didn't have very high standards. That said, while I don't feel
that it is a particularly "special" limited edition, the inclusion of "O
Canada Girls" makes the investment worthwhile for me -- I think it's one
of Dar's best songs.

Pat

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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:27:23 -0700
From: patrick t power <ptpower@juno.com>
Subject: [RS] Re: Kathryn Williams (again!)

From www.dictionary.com

<<<<<
scouse (skous) n. A lobscouse. 

Also scous·er (skousr). A native or resident of Liverpool, England. 
Often Scouse. The dialect of English spoken in Liverpool. 
>>>>>

Now why didn't I know that!!!??

Pat

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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:14:47 -0400
From: Elwestrand  <elwestrand@ureach.com>
Subject: Re: Re: [RS] Way off topic

 That said, while I 
don't feel
> that it is a particularly "special" limited edition, the 
inclusion of "O
> Canada Girls" makes the investment worthwhile for me -- I 
think it's one
> of Dar's best songs.
> 
> Pat
> 
I agree and disagree. The LE is really beautiful. Although 
execution of it was a little sketchy I do think it is "special." 

I totally agree that OCG's is an amazing song and ironically I 
think it is the "best" on the CD, which is of course not really 
on the CD. When I saw Dar recently I had her sign my LE on that 
song. She also played it solo accoustic at an in-store, and made 
me cry in front of God and everyone. Of course maybe that's 
where I should be crying, "but way back where I come from we 
never mean to bother, we never make our passions other people's 
concern."

:-)

E

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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:42:38 -0400
From: "Norman A. Johnson" <njohnson@ent.umass.edu>
Subject: [RS] Lyrics and credits

Ed:

<<In the song "We learned the Sea" it sounds as if Dar sings "We've
reached the strait even I could not go through," but the lyrics say
"We've reached the place even I could not go through."  Did anyone notice
this?  Is this one of the "packaging problems" they had with the original
release?  It just seems odd that they'd get it wrong when the music was
recorded before the media was printed.>>

There's a couple of other differences between what Dar sings and the
printed lyrics on TGW. Same is true with THE HONESTY ROOM. In "Traveling
again", she sings "someday will I sing the mountains..." where the printed
lyrics replace   "landscape" for "mountains" (I like mountains better).
There's also a difference in the third verse of "When I was a Boy": "and I
could always cry" (sung) vs. "and I could cry all the time" (printed).

To bring this back to Richard--In the first printing of SOMEWHERE NEAR
PATERSON, Richard is given credit for  vocals on "Merritt parkway" but not
for "Wisteria". I don't recall any differences in the printed vs. sung lyrics.

Norman

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